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Southern_Info

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Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« on: April 21, 2010, 11:45:36 PM »
Is there really a such thing as hitting the pocket too hard?  People would tell me if the pins are leaving the pin deck and they are flying in the air, I'm hitting it too hard.  They say the pins should stay low to the deck and should be push straight back; kind of like using a sweep to sweep debris. Can someone please enlightment me and shed light on this topic.  TIA!
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 07:48:58 AM »
no ball hits harder than another.  It's about angle and rotation and revrate.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 07:56:30 AM »
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no ball hits harder than another.  It's about angle and rotation and revrate.
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Is that what she told you....
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 08:04:13 AM »
this can happen when your ball speed is too high.

its not really something that you need to change. If you are ball speed to rev rate matched then you have really good chance at scoring well and matching up to the lanes. but just keep in mind that a lot of ball speed can make a pin jump over other pins.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 08:06:32 AM »
I'm not sure about hitting too hard, but I am getting quite familiar with driving too hard through the pocket.  When this happens I tend to leave a stone 8 because my ball drives so hard that it doesn't deflect off the 5 pin into the 8 pin.  I think its a result of the ball not getting completely into its roll before hitting the pocket...though it might be just too strong of an angle.

I personally don't think you can hit the pocket too hard...most of the time failure to carry is a result of either angle or hitting light or high.  Once in a blue moon I'll see what appears to be a perfect shot leave a pin...but usually I can tell what caused the pin to remain standing.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 08:16:23 AM »
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Is that what she told you....


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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 09:20:48 AM »
When I'm having that problem, as someone else that has a lot of speed, I'll usually move to a more aggressive piece of equipment that will burn up energy a little faster. This happens a lot on house shots. Typically I wouldn't use aggressive pieces of equipment on house shots due to its strength, but sometimes it works because by burning a little bit more energy off the ball it allows me to carry and keep the pins low while that shot lasts.

If the lanes are broken down properly, depends on who you bowl with, then you can typically move deep inside with a much weaker ball and slow wheel it to the spot you burned up. My favorite league combo right now is using my Cell at 1000 for about a game, breakpoint depends on who I'm bowling with, and then dropping down to my Freeze and moving deep inside or way outside.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2010, 04:47:20 PM »
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Is that what she told you....


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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 05:02:23 PM »
Of course you can hit the pocket too hard....

Ever leave a 9 pin? or the 4,9 split?

Thats what happens when you hit the pocket too hard for a righthander.....

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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 05:16:19 PM »
In all things in life, there are factors that will optimize your chances and there are factors that will minimize them as well. What these factors are is debateable, but without doubt they exist.

 To me, "hitting too hard" is an eye test kind of thing. By that, I mean if it looks to an experienced bowler that the pins are getting impacted so hard that they aren't following their maximum trajectory, you probably are "hitting them too hard". Pins flying up, instead of laterally, on impact may be one sign of this.

 Physics tells us that E=Mc2. Basically, energy equals mass X speed, so the more speed an object has on impact, the more energy is released upon said impact. If the energy released is in excess of the optimum force needed, then yes, you are indeed "hitting them too hard".
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 05:34:18 PM »
I remember Rob "Hambone" Stone and Randy talking about this in reference to Kelly Kulick on one of the telecasts.  Randy said that a truly "pure" shot would drive all 10 back into the pit w/not a lot of flying pins.  When you have a lot of flying pins/messengers - it means that it was a successful shot, but not the optimal shot.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2010, 05:37:32 PM »
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Of course you can hit the pocket too hard....

Ever leave a 9 pin? or the 4,9 split?

Thats what happens when you hit the pocket too hard for a righthander.....

Earl


Ahhh no....That's called too much entry angle. 4-9 is too much entry angle partnered up with hitting the 1-3 pocket too high.

To the OP, You can't hit the pocket too hard. You can hit the pocket too fast to cause the pins to fly up and over another pin though. Speed does not translate to better pin carry as some people who I bowl with on wednesday night seem to think, better pin carry is all in entry angle.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2010, 09:18:02 PM »
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Of course you can hit the pocket too hard....

Ever leave a 9 pin? or the 4,9 split?

Thats what happens when you hit the pocket too hard for a righthander.....

Earl


Ahhh no....That's called too much entry angle. 4-9 is too much entry angle partnered up with hitting the 1-3 pocket too high.

To the OP, You can't hit the pocket too hard. You can hit the pocket too fast to cause the pins to fly up and over another pin though. Speed does not translate to better pin carry as some people who I bowl with on wednesday night seem to think, better pin carry is all in entry angle.
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Yeah, this is why speed control is my number one issue. Typically house shots force me into being lazy and allow my speed to creep up to the point where the next time I bowl on a sport shot I can't get anything to read the lane. The only time a lot of speed seems to be a good thing is if I'm throwing weaker pieces of equipment which don't seem to transfer energy as well to the pins.
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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2010, 01:08:04 AM »
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Of course you can hit the pocket too hard....

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r leave a 9 pin? or the 4,9 split?

Thats what happens when you hit the pocket too hard for a righthander.....

Earl


Ahhh no....That's called too much entry angle. 4-9 is too much entry angle partnered up with hitting the 1-3 pocket too high.

To the OP, You can't hit the pocket too hard. You can hit the pocket too fast to cause the pins to fly up and over another pin though. Speed does not translate to better pin carry as some people who I bowl with on wednesday night seem to think, better pin carry is all in entry angle




the  flying  6  pin...  not  a  wrap  10  or  flat  10  its  that  jumped  10  pin.   used  to  have  that  problem when  throwing a  swamp  monster.   my  solution was  to  give  the  ball  more  play  ground  (moved  bp  out  farther).  this  burned  off  a  little  more  speed.

it  is  a  tricky  shot  to  fix  and  I'm  glad  I  don't  run  into  it  much  anymore.  even  with  ball  speed  ranging from  15  to  19  at  pin  deck.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Hitting the pocket too hard !!
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2010, 07:52:31 AM »
CRD, think you got the wrong quote on your reply there.
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