Post by: rlamanna on June 07, 2004, 11:55:21 PM
Post by: Smash49 on June 08, 2004, 03:02:48 PM
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Post by: Ragnar on June 08, 2004, 03:02:50 PM
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Just run to the line, plant and heave.
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Post by: RPM MAX on June 08, 2004, 05:03:45 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 08, 2004, 05:42:39 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 08, 2004, 07:01:53 PM
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A couple of weeks ago I was introduced to Dick Ritger's personal number system and it works
Smash, could you share this with us and tell us about it?
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Post by: Smash49 on June 08, 2004, 08:48:12 PM
The system involves the understanding that 90% or more bowler's set the ball down 7 boards away from their foot. So if you walk straight and your trying to hit the second arrow your ball would come down on ten and your foot would be on 17. Unfortunately it is not a perfect world and most people do not walk straight. They either drift right or left to some degree. Once this is figured out you can make corrections for your drift so that the ball ends up on 10 and your foot on 17 everytime. The correction is called your personal number. Once you know that you can target anywhere on the lane. There is also a formula for playing angles. No more eye dominance to worry about it's all math. You do need to have good fundamentals though. If you want a taste, Dick has a tape to buy on his site but the actual instruction live and in person is alot better.
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Post by: shotmaker on June 09, 2004, 10:08:37 AM
Remember to always watch the ball cross your target before movong your eyes away from the target. If you can hit your target consistently you will be able to compete with the best, regardless of power.
Post by: Girlscout on June 09, 2004, 02:08:33 PM
I agree it all starts with the footwork
I am learning I need to walk straight and
stop the habit of crossing to the left on first step.
Thus an inconsistent slide.
I was watching the Japanese girl on the Queens,
in my opinion she is a very good role model for
good classic fundamentals.She walks straight!
Its all about accuracy,
Girlscout
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 09, 2004, 03:42:01 PM
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I am learning I need to walk straight and
stop the habit of crossing to the left on first step.
I do this too. Does anyone have any idea why Girlscout, my self and others do this?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 09, 2004, 05:04:31 PM
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I do this too. Does anyone have any idea why Girlscout, my self and others do this?
Are you starting off from a solid balanced position? A lot of bowlers I have watched tend to atart with their feet together. This causes a position of potential imbalance, easy to fall off when taking the first step or starting the pushaway. You should start standing with the feet slightly spaced apart, about 3-5 inches. If you have any martial arts training, you will know what I mean.
All you have to do to test this is stand with your feet together, holding your ball. Have a friend push you from the side. Easy to fall off balance. Now have him stand and push him to see how much force is required. Then, have him stand with the feet about 3-5 inches apart. How much more force is required to push him off balance?
So, if you start with the feet together, just starting the pushaway and starting the first step might be enough to put you off-balance where you have to step left to counter-balance the weight of the ball. ??? Maybe.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 09, 2004, 05:18:02 PM
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if you do start with your feet together, do you keep your sliding foot on the same board you started it on?
Not sure that I understand what you are asking. If you end up on a different board than where you started, then you are drifting. Can be either left or right. Try starting out with your feet slightly apart and see if it helps. I know it has helped a few others that I've pointed it out to. Most reduced their drift, did not get rid of it completely, but did cut it down.
Edited to add:
Oh, and a 3 board consistant drift is nothing to worry about. As long as you know how much you drift, you can compensate for it in your adjustments.
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Edited on 6/9/2004 5:17 PM
Post by: TyLytle on June 09, 2004, 05:28:26 PM
Helped me alot with accurate targeting...
Ty
Post by: strikealot on June 09, 2004, 05:39:10 PM
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Post by: Girlscout on June 09, 2004, 05:50:38 PM
I think what screwed me up was the tight rope
walk, stepping left to clear your right leg method.
Well what happens is, you can start overdoing
a good thing. Now I feel my ball and right foot
are on the same track and so far I see improvement.
The idea of getting the feet not so close together
is worth trying, I notice my husband has his feet
more apart. Little tweaks can sure make big differences.
We talk about bigger margin for error with the lanes today,but
with execution there is very little.
I like the penny idea, but maybe use a smiley stick on.
Lets get this game straightened out!
Accuracy is the key
Girlscout
Edited on 6/9/2004 5:58 PM
Post by: gbushman on June 09, 2004, 08:20:53 PM
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then on my second step when I move my left foot(righty), I naturaly move it 3 boards right so my feet don't rub on my approach.
I am SURPRISED you dont TRIP when you put your LEFT foot in front of the RIGHT one.
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Post by: gbushman on June 09, 2004, 09:43:24 PM
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What I meant is when I start off my feet are together, then on my second step when I move my left foot(righty), I naturaly move it 3 boards right so my feet don't rub on my approach.
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I LEAD with my RIGHT foot. That means my SECOND STEPI step with my LEFT. I have a FOUR-STEP approach.
And you place your LEFT foot 3 boards to the RIGHT? So NOW you have to MOVE your RIGHT foot further RIGHT? And you END UP 3 boards LEFT? HOW?
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Post by: gbushman on June 09, 2004, 10:05:10 PM
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Good point. I've had SOL's for the past 2 days and my brain is fried. Sorry for being a butthole. I meant I move it 3 boards left.
Thats OKAY, lots of people call ME a butthole. WHY, I dont know. What is SOL? Are you MOVING your LEFT foot because you want to get it CLEAR of the right or so you do NOT fall?
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Post by: mumzie on June 09, 2004, 11:24:27 PM
(reverse the following for lefties - of course)
Line up with the inside of your left foot on the right side of the 17 board - heel and toe both lined up on the line between the 16 and 17 board. Target the 10 board (2nd arrow) at the arrows. When you release the ball, make a note of what board your the inside part of your left foot ended up on. Do the same thing at least 4 more times, each time making a note of the board you ended on. For example, you ended up on the 14, 13, 14, 15, and 14 board. You drifted 3,4,3,2, and 3 boards. So your average drift is 3 boards right. Add that 3 board drift to the 7 board difference between your foot and the ball laydown point, and your personal number becomes 10. If you drift left (for righties), subtract - example - if your average drift was 2 boards left, 7-2 =5 for your personal number.
Now when you line up to shoot 10 board, you'd add your target (10) to your personal number (10) and line up with the inside of your left foot (toe AND heel) on the right edge of the 20 board. This is the technique for playing straight up. It gets more involved when you are swinging a shot, but you get the idea. It's all numbers. It works GREAT!!!
Attend one of the camps or clinics. You'll not only learn this, but practice it as well.
As for where I look on the lane - depends on whether I want to set the ball down early or late. Early, I look at the dots. Late, arrows or beyond. Conversion factor? Got it from the Advanced Ritger clinic. Highly recommended!
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Edited on 6/11/2004 12:29 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 10, 2004, 12:24:30 PM
http://www.probowluk.co.uk/pbiScoreSheetIdx.htm
And for those looking for tips and may have missed out on Ron's site, here is a link to that:
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm
Another useful site, though still incomplete:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kennmelvin/tMain.htm
And, if you missed Jeff P's link in his message above, it offers useful ball knowledge:
http://www.bowlingfans.com/jeff/ballreactionbasics.html
And for something completely different (humor):
http://www.angelfire.com/yt/bowlingtwits/
http://faldo.atmos.uiuc.edu/FBL/mkting.html
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Post by: strikealot on June 10, 2004, 12:30:32 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: strikealot on June 10, 2004, 01:09:48 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: Amleto on June 10, 2004, 02:10:03 PM
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i havent heard of this technique but i like the sounds of it, can some elaborate on playing inside angles instead of up the boards.
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If memory serves correctly....
you choose your target at the arrows first. For this example I will take third. So you starting position is now third arrow (15) + 'magic number' (7) = 22. Then you choose a line.
Two ways to do this.
1) Choose an anlge to play
2) Choose a breakpoint
1) If you want to play a 1 board angle, ie 16 at foul line, out to 15 at arrows, then you move 2 boards inside. If you want to play a 3 board angle, ie 18 at foul line, out to 15 at arrows, then you move 6 boards inside. etc.
2) As long as your break point is close to 45' then this easy maths will work. If you breakpoint isn't quite at 45' (just short of the reflections of the pins) AND you want a big angle, you'll need to project where the breakpoint would be at 45'
If you want your 45' break point to be board 9, then
target - BP = move inside
15 - 9 = 6 boards inside (=board 28)
If you want your 45' break point to be board 5, then
target - BP = move inside
15 - 5 = 10 boards inside (=board 32)
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Formulae
1)
start = target + 2*angle + Magic#
2)
start = 2*target - BP + Magic#
HTH
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target-bp = 2*angle
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Edited on 6/10/2004 2:08 PM
Post by: strikealot on June 10, 2004, 02:45:02 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: strikealot on June 10, 2004, 10:45:57 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: 300GameBowler on June 10, 2004, 10:50:50 PM
Post by: gbushman on June 10, 2004, 11:33:25 PM
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if your missing to far left (and your a righty)
Might only be a TILT or ANGLE adjustment of the FEET or HIPS. Just MOVE your HEELS slightly LEFT, keeping the front part of FOOT on starting board. Cant PROJECT the ball RIGHT if you are too SQUARE to the foul line.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 11, 2004, 02:34:24 AM
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Post by: pin-chaser on June 11, 2004, 01:53:25 PM
Drifting is not really the issue for hitting your target. Walking stright down the approach is actually counter productive if you are targeting other than straight down the lane. If you target line is to set the ball down on 10, hit second arrow at 15 feet and go stright down that board some distance and then hook to the pocket then walking stright is very productive. However, in todays game this is a lost and nearly useless art.
Walking (or sliding) toward your target is much more productive in todays game of wide sweeping hooks. If we look at the vast majority of elite and professional bowlers we see this illistrated time and time again.
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Post by: strikealot on June 11, 2004, 10:26:29 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: Amleto on June 12, 2004, 06:29:09 AM
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While the conversation about hitting a target has been predominately focused on feet work, this is secondary to maintaining a 90 degree shoulder alignment to your break point. If you have other than 90 degrees than you are subject to swing flaring which will cause you to miss your target/break point.
Drifting is not really the issue for hitting your target. Walking stright down the approach is actually counter productive if you are targeting other than straight down the lane. If you target line is to set the ball down on 10, hit second arrow at 15 feet and go stright down that board some distance and then hook to the pocket then walking stright is very productive. However, in todays game this is a lost and nearly useless art.
Walking (or sliding) toward your target is much more productive in todays game of wide sweeping hooks. If we look at the vast majority of elite and professional bowlers we see this illistrated time and time again.
this is implicit in the maths I have just done above
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Post by: Amleto on June 12, 2004, 06:37:01 AM
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i disagree, if you stand left and walk right its counterproductive to what you are trying to do, if you are playing 25 while standing on 40, trying to keep ball in middle of lane as long as possible and walk right and slide on 30, what good has it done to move inside.
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I think you have missed the point with this one. If you stand left and walk right the way I believe you to mean, then you are talking about drift.
drift isnt what pin-chaser is talking about. you can walk right and have zero drift.
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Post by: Amleto on June 12, 2004, 06:01:25 PM
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Post by: strikealot on June 12, 2004, 09:57:49 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP