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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Mr Old School on August 07, 2007, 07:01:25 AM

Title: Holy Crap!
Post by: Mr Old School on August 07, 2007, 07:01:25 AM: [B) I just found out that there's an average restrition on 700 series awards the the "New and improved" USBC are giving to members. This is an outrage!!
this means that your paying dues to not getting any thing from the new congress. Even now instead of getting a 300 ring every year(Still waiting for my first), they change it to a lifetime award . Once again the little man get the shaft!
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: KDawg77 on August 07, 2007, 03:06:40 PM: On the very small upside, at least they brought the older version of the ring back.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: revTrex on August 07, 2007, 03:07:20 PM: The bottom line, beyond the "little man's" feelings, is that the integrity of the game is missing. Sadly, a 700 doesn't mean what it used to. Nor does a 300. Nor does any honor score.

Now, would it be better to see the USBC actually go out and do something about the integrity? Yes, of course. How about they fix the game, rather than the award distribution? Yes, that'd be awesome. But will it happen in the very near future, and is this a step in the right direction? No for the first, yes to the second.
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Mr Old School on August 07, 2007, 03:09:30 PM: thats O.K. for those who can get that, but why put restriction on the 700 award like that. it should be for EVERYONE. This will be the first year that I won't get one!
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: mainzer on August 07, 2007, 03:17:22 PM: who cares if you can't get 700 award?If you shot one every year what is the big deal if you don't get an award for it ? I don't understand this will make you work to shot 800 the idea is to get credibility back right? the little guy might have to suffer not everyone can play Football or BaseBall at any level if Bowling is a Sport should it be different.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Atochabsh on August 07, 2007, 03:30:21 PM: The restriction on the 700 series award has been there for years. You have to be 210 or less to get one. Plus you realize that on all the awards you are only given one per year. The multiple awards can go into the computer for your over all stats, but you get one emblem/pin/ring a year.

Erin
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: revTrex on August 07, 2007, 03:30:33 PM: I mean...who really needs an entire set of USBC coasters????
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: KDawg77 on August 07, 2007, 03:32:22 PM: quote:
I mean...who really needs an entire set of USBC coasters????

A pistol target earned is better than a pistol target bought.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: revTrex on August 07, 2007, 04:05:06 PM: The suede-esque material has just the right feel, grip, and balance I need. They are the #1 frisbee on the market, and cheap too!

Which makes me wonder...the real reason for getting rid of the award might be so that Boje and his band of directors can sit in the office and play catch with each other.
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Dr Curve on August 07, 2007, 04:10:36 PM: The USBC is moving towards integrity.

Every year, step by step, the awards for scores rolled in recreational bowling are being eliminated. Eventually, only scores rolled on Sport or PBA Experience lane conditions will qualify for awards.

The problem with bowling isn't the number of high scores being rolled. The problem is that we bowlers want premium awards for rolling high scores on the easiest possible lane conditions. This is unsustainable. Our dues won't support it.

Integrity will be achieved when the only scores being honored, are scores rolled on difficult lane conditions.
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: kmanestor22 on August 07, 2007, 04:16:47 PM: We all know this isn't an integrity of the game issue, it comes down to the almighty dollar. They just want to give us less back for a sanction fee.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Atochabsh on August 07, 2007, 04:18:11 PM: quote:
Eventually, only scores rolled on Sport or PBA Experience lane conditions will qualify for awards.

They've eliminated nearly all those too.
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 07, 2007, 04:33:17 PM: Looks like eBay's pricing of 700 patches is gonna make a move in some folk's favor! For all of the 700 first-timers that may have established a 210+ average before throwing their first 700 will be on the lookout to purchase something for their achievement.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: justdale on August 07, 2007, 04:38:14 PM: USBC has forgotten that the bowlers are the one that are paying the payrolls for the knuckleheads in Wisconsin. Taking away some of the awards that some people really enjoyed recieving every year. We are paying more and recieving less for our money, the awards plan out suck, and now the man that was the front running reason for the merger has stepped down, mmmm maybe he couldn't take the heat.
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: ksm300 on August 07, 2007, 04:52:05 PM: I'm pretty sure that the 300 lifetime award ring only applies to the PBA Experience leagues. Which in my opinion is okay since for each successive 300 game you receive an additional diamond as an insert.

As far as 2007 - 2008 standard leagues go, I'm sure it is limitied to one award per year per category, i.e. 300, 800, 11 in a row (299 or less).
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: another300 on August 07, 2007, 05:32:09 PM: Pay more, get less.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Nicanor on August 07, 2007, 07:23:10 PM: I think its time to boycott USBC. If it doesn't matter about scores (honor scores) and the integrity of the game is missing, forget paying the USBC and have non santioned leagues or something like a TNBA sponsored league. The payroll for the upper staff of the USBC is out of this worl. They get paid more then a CEO of a major company. I was told the president of USBC ( don't know if its president, but top ranking offical) gets aproximately $240,000 a year pay plus benifitsd and per diem.

Now they're talking about raising our yearly dues to $30 + dollars a year. And for what service?

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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: lsf_21 on August 07, 2007, 07:38:50 PM: quote:

Now they're talking about raising our yearly dues to $30 + dollars a year. And for what service?

makeing there pockets bigger.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Atochabsh on August 07, 2007, 08:15:57 PM: If you bowl a Sport of PBA league you are already at that $30 mark.

Local dues $8
state $1
National $10
Sport $15
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: REVerse on August 07, 2007, 10:27:36 PM: quote:
It all went down the cr*pper when that 900 award was given out. Nuff said!
Dude that is SO true!
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: nospareball on August 07, 2007, 10:48:00 PM: If you average 210 you should shoot at least one 700 a year if not more.

And really guys, $30 a year? Divide by 36 weeks (or however long your season is), and it's less than a $1 a week You pay more for lineage in a month, and what does the house give you if you shoot a 700, 800 or even a 300 game? Your name on the board and that's probably it.
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: justdale on August 07, 2007, 10:51:52 PM: Our houses here give you $100.00 for you first 300 and 800. That is a lot better than the crappy awards that USBC give out
Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: Nollster on August 08, 2007, 08:25:23 AM: My house give a shiny, satin disco jacket for your first 300, too. Man, I desperately want one of those!!! I want to join the 700 club, too -- you know they get all the chicks!!
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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 08, 2007, 08:43:05 AM: IMO, they should make all awards optional. Some people like receiving them (maybe they have a collection of consecutive years shooting 700, 800 or 300?) and some toss them in the trash or leave them on the tables at the center. I think if you made the bowler fill out an award request form that the USBC could 1) cut costs by not handing out awards that some bowlers have no use or desire for and 2) keep other bowlers happy in that they can still receive the award(s) if they want it. I think most bowlers who want the awards would be OK to receive one per year, per achievement.

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If you average 210 you should shoot at least one 700 a year if not more.

Just for the record, in 2004-2005 I avg. 200, and in 2005-2006 I avg. 204. No 700 either year (although I'd shot a few 700's in the years preceeding, I just didn't hit it these two years for some reason. I had a few 680's and 690's though...)

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Title: Re: Holy Crap!
Post by: DanH78 on August 08, 2007, 10:03:53 AM: quote:
I think its time to boycott USBC. If it doesn't matter about scores (honor scores) and the integrity of the game is missing, forget paying the USBC and have non santioned leagues or something like a TNBA sponsored league. The payroll for the upper staff of the USBC is out of this worl. They get paid more then a CEO of a major company. I was told the president of USBC ( don't know if its president, but top ranking offical) gets aproximately $240,000 a year pay plus benifitsd and per diem.

Now they're talking about raising our yearly dues to $30 + dollars a year. And for what service?

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

If you're going to make ignorant statements, do a little research. The USBC/ABC president role has always been a VOLUNTEER (that means unpaid) position. They get reimbursed for travel.

Now, if you want to talk about Dalkin, he is an excerpt from an interview

Your position at ABC is equivalent to the CEO of a $20 million corporation. How does the salary and benefits compare to similar jobs in other industries?

Well, I get all the free bowling I want [laughs]. In reality, what the performance and compensation committee has done is they have looked at the compensation studies for non-profit organizations. Commercial entities are a whole different ball game.

So, where do you stack up?

Uh, the average salary for the CEO of a million member plus organization with a budget in excess of $15 million is $250,000 annually. I'm well below the average. If you pull my 1099, you'll find my current salary is $150,000 a year. Does that mean I'm underpaid? Some might say yes, some say no. I'm very pleased. I make a decent living doing something I love to do. I appreciate the salary I get. Could I get another job elsewhere making more? Probably, but I enjoy it. That's why I left the insurance industry. I was making very good money in insurance, but I didn't like doing it.

I don't know what "Major Companies" you're talking about, but I know a couple CEO's of not so major companies that make WAY more than the $240k figure you made up.

But you're right, that $18 million in Scholarships payable is an absolute TRAVESTY. How dare they provide such a SERVICE for our youth bowlers.

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