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Title: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on October 30, 2006, 03:20:14 AM
Which would you prefer?

If Im in a slump I want an easier shot to get my confidence up and to make me think I can bowl well. In doing so when this usually happens and I bowl on a harder pattern I tend to bowl ALOT better.

So which do you HONESTLY prefer?
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: HamPster on October 30, 2006, 11:24:55 AM
I'm an anal perfectionist, so I prefer tougher patterns.  Makes good shots feel more rewarding, and it really separates the good bowlers from the hacks who think they're good.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 30, 2006, 11:26:45 AM
Thing is, good shots are good shots, regardless of the condition.  You know when you're making quality shots on either condition.  It's just that you're rewarded far more often for an errant shot on a THS than on a tougher condition.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: FBM357 on October 30, 2006, 11:28:30 AM
Being I'm in serious slump, I haven't a preference as I'm trying to iron out the imperfections in my game.  When you're slumping, easy conditions are difficult and difficult conditions are *#&$^&^#!!!!!

How many have struggled on an easy shot only to do better on a harder one?  

Easier shots present less focus to execute hence recovery from errant throws.  Harder conditions expose the imperfections, thus increasing the level of concentration.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on October 30, 2006, 11:28:32 AM
I love averaging 175 on a tough shot...makes me feel very good...lol
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Pinbuster on October 30, 2006, 11:43:02 AM
I believe bowlers as a whole have shown they like easier shots. They tend to flock to the easy scoring centers.

I prefer a more demanding shot but they are a rare find.  
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on October 30, 2006, 11:46:50 AM
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believe bowlers as a whole have shown they like easier shots. They tend to flock to the easy scoring centers.

I prefer a more demanding shot but they are a rare find.

 


Agreed! Thats why I posted this. People bit*h and complain about hard shots. IMO, when they are around a crowd they want to fit in so they say they want a hard shot but on the other hand they bit*h and cry when it is and say they want to quit.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: The Extremist on October 30, 2006, 12:00:44 PM
Hard shot always!! I agree with HamPster: if you got beaten in a hard shot you feel "man, these guys are better bowlers than me", and I want to practice more to improve my game. Instead, if you got beaten in an easy shot by a bunch of posers with jokels styles who are putting the ball everywhere in the lane and carrying everything, well.... it doesn't feel good. And, an easy shot doesn't encourage bad bowlers to improve.

Just my "dos centavos"...
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on October 30, 2006, 12:00:46 PM
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Either condition as your only condition to bowl on for 36 weeks would be a tough diet to swallow every week.

Maybe thats why I enjoy golf so much and look forward to each round. Its never the same from one day to the next.

For me, the ideal would be a league where one week we have the THS and the next week a sport compliant shot and keep alternating for the entire season.
 


I really like this idea Sawbones. I actually mentioned something similar to one of my leagues and they said they couldn't and even if they could it would be to hard for the other youth bowlers. I guess bowling is about having the easy shot so everyone can be happy
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: fins4ever88 on October 30, 2006, 12:27:08 PM
Depends on the mood. I'm all for tougher shots all the time, but when you're slumping it's nice to have a wall to get the scores back up high again.

I love tougher shots. I love averaging a 170-180 ona sport shot. But case like last week, I bowled our monthly travel league and it's a "challenging shot (sport shot on a non-certified league). I bowled well in the beginning, but it was wood lanes, and all the oil was gone. Couldn't barely go 130 average. It was nice coming back home on a wall to boost my confidence back up.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: DerHornen on October 30, 2006, 01:25:05 PM
Couldn't tell you.  Nobody within 100 miles of my hometown puts out anything without a wall.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: sheppy335 on October 30, 2006, 01:40:33 PM
I prefer a harder shot, but one that is fair. I want it difficult to the point were you need to hit your mark and breakpoint consistantly to score and spares matter.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: dewatkins on October 30, 2006, 02:25:30 PM
I like a hard shot sometimes I would not want to bowl on it all the time.  Last night the manager told his mechanic to double run the lanes well they ended up flooded nothing or on one was breaking.  One board right was a washout.  I even left a 5 pin in the pocket first time in years.  I missed a few spares until I figured out where to adjust to.  I did not bowl great low 500 but I beat a most people all they wanted to do was cry and talk about not coming back bla bla bla bla.  I said give me a time or two to figure it out and I would be okay but they did not want anything to do with it.  

So to sum up your question most people want an easy shot I am probably around tenth in average on the league and everyone better than me was really complaining and did not even break 500 including about five 200+ bowlers.  The way I looked at it everyone had the same shot so do what you can and learn from it.  I made the statement that I would like to see a sport shot from time to time on league and you should have heard the crying.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: slowmofo908 on October 30, 2006, 04:21:09 PM
i would rather have a tougher shot than my house shot. This is because my ths has no oil on it at all.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: six pack on October 30, 2006, 04:54:29 PM
I bowl in two houses,one tougher than the other.when I bowl good in the easy house it leaves me feeling empty inside because I know the diffrence.when I bowl good in the tough house I feel proud.I will admit though that haveing 15 boards of area is fun as long as you don't let it go to you're head.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: bgh on October 30, 2006, 05:03:33 PM
Recreational Bowler =  Easy Shot
Serious Bowler that considers Bowling a Sport (which it is!) = Honest Shot

Bowling Skills are tested always with a tougher shot.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 30, 2006, 05:22:41 PM
Both!

Harder / Honest Shot for myself to test skills / get better...

Easy shot for league with a group of friends (to keep them interested, etc.)...
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: rackattack on October 30, 2006, 06:19:09 PM
If I was bowling one day a week with my buddies set out the good china honey I want to have fun.
I bowl tournaments and sweepers though and seek out the tough shots to work on my equipment and keep me in shape.It also makes the big rev sprayers bowl accurate and cuts down their rev advantage.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Baxfran on October 30, 2006, 08:28:06 PM
I've had most of my tournament successes on more challenging oil patterns.  Truth be told, I'd prefer to bowl on tougher patterns in league, but the reality is, there's not a center in my area that's willing to make them harder for league play, especially for the weaker players and knucklers.  Make them hard for me...make them harder for everyone.  But if you're going to wall them up for everyone else, make sure you wall them up to the max for me too.  

Good luck!

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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: 302efi on October 30, 2006, 08:39:47 PM
I guess I'll be the loner..but..Give me a wall all the time.

You wanna really bowl brackets with a reverse block or a sport shot ?

Spares ?...Whats that ?

Stringing strikes on a nice wall with area is the way to go !...Just send it right with some hand in it and have fun

Sure your gonna ring a few 9s and 10s..You cant carry them all !
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: MSC2471 on October 30, 2006, 09:45:43 PM
I prefer bowling in two different houses on two different patterns. Doesn't matter to me whether they are house shots, modified house shots, sport patterns, flat patterns. I enjoy the challenge of working on my game in two different houses, and right now I get the best of both worlds. One house synthetic, one house wood, one house on the fresh shot, one house on a second shift league.

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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: NateNice on October 30, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
I don't really care.  Your score should reflect the conditions.  If you're on a more forgiving shot you should be scoring high.  If you're not then you shouldn't be scoring as high.  It doesn't matter what you score, per se.  You and your friends know if you were bowling well on the particular shot, usually.

300 is 300, I don't care.  You have to throw it regardless of if it feels easy or not.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Joe Jr on October 30, 2006, 10:21:42 PM
I want harder shots, then the better bowlers come out on top and that's when all the practice pays.

But easy shots are fun every now and then.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: ThongPrincess on October 31, 2006, 01:42:23 AM
My favorite league is my Sport Shot league.  I love the league and the competition.  It also means more to me to see that average improve.

I just found out that my home center is unintentionally putting out a tough shot.  Evidently the conditioner they are using does not hold well in the heads and creats an ugly carry down. The result is a wet/dry condition.  

My coach showed me what it does to the ball.  I had just rolled a shot and he picked it up off the return.  The oil rings did not go uninterrupted around the ball, but stopped and started.  Knowing this, I can now treat it more like the sport shot league and not get as frustrated.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Strider on October 31, 2006, 06:34:35 AM
I like a mix.  For league bowling, a THS is good for your ego and it's fun to have a chance to throw up some big numbers from time to time.  I don't mean a mega wall where a 780 won't get you on the top 10 for the night.  For tournaments, I like them hard.  I usually fall behind the pace on a score fest, but always have a chance when shot making and spares mean something.
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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Sikxer on October 31, 2006, 07:25:44 AM
I have to go with the tougher patterns. The reasoning behind this is that not everyone knows when they make a bad shot. Just because you hit your target doesn't mean you made a good shot. You have to remember that there are many aspects to making a good shot... and tougher patterns can tell you a lot about your mistakes IF you pay attention.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: michelle on October 31, 2006, 08:06:19 AM
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I guess I'll be the loner..but..Give me a wall all the time.

You wanna really bowl brackets with a reverse block or a sport shot ?

Spares ?...Whats that ?



To answer your question...YES I would rather bowl brackets with a reverse block or a sport-compliant pattern.  At least then I would feel like if I lost that I got outbowled as opposed to outcarried.

One of the reasons I am not bowling this season is that I am sick of the wall and sick of paying $15-17 a week to throw urethane or plastic to create a challenge.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Nodsleinad on October 31, 2006, 08:59:18 AM
Most on this board will say tough, they are more "INTO" the game.  The majority want easy, believe me as a secretary for a # of years i here it when the shot is to tough for the majority of casual bowlers.

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Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: jimensminger on October 31, 2006, 10:00:54 AM
Bowlers have been eating big bannana splits and drinking strawberry milkshakes for years. And we love'em. Ninety percent of all the big HOOK monster balls aren't worth a dime on a tough shot where control, and consistancy is paramount,..yet they sell like two for one at Pay-less. If we had to bowl on gutter to gutter shots day in and day out,and the walls were taken away from us,... and know what we know now, I'd bet half the one-time-a-week-league-bowler would quit...
After eating T-bone steaks anytime you want, someone comes along and tells you NO MORE STEAK, here's your carrot sticks, we'd all be pi$$ed off. Some of us would stay,...most would soon lose intrest. We've all been nurtured for too many years,..and now we have to drink milk from a bottle,..YUCK.
The pro shops would all loose money, if the shot was tough what difference would the ball make,..you'd only need a couple since most would all do the same thing anyway. And what would ball manufactures do,..?
Everybody LOVES the easy shot,...I sure do...friction to the right, nice fresh backends,..and KA-POW...I can strike for days. It's a lot more fun than shooting at the bucket and the 3-6-10 all night,..and I rather loose with a 248, than win with a 182....
TOUGH SHOTS do have their place,..say in long format tournaments, like Nationals,..that's kinda fun, once a year, everyone gets to go down and make a fool of themselves on a shot they've never seen...we all laugh, and snuggle back up to our Tuesday night wall shot ASAP. EASY shots gives everyone a chance, with little or no effort, and the majority of the league bowlers like that. They can get in brackets without having to practice,..win honor scores by buying a new ball so they can hook the whole lane,...and stay home on weekends and watch football and not have to practice...so for all you guys and gals that say "give me the tough shot" I say baloney. Half of you would quit, lose interest,..or take up another sport in a year...
I've seen it. Living over seas for years in the military, most americans would never venture into the local bowling centers because the 'conditiond were too hard',..they'd hide on base,..bowl on the wall,..and keep them averages up...
whew,....I'm done.
Title: Re: HONESTY Thread: Walled Shot or Hard Shot?
Post by: Tweener92 on October 31, 2006, 10:11:36 AM
I prefer tough shots because they are humbling and let me know exactly what my weaknessess are. Granted it is fun to "stand left throw right" but all you get is a false sense of accomplishment in my book.
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