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bowlerdawg

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1st & 3rd game delima
« on: May 01, 2013, 07:12:04 PM »
 So, upon further review...there is 14 pins of difference between my 1st game and my last. ( end of season stat sheets )

On my Thursday league it is a 5 man team, what I would call decent amount of oil starting off, and some serious bowlers i.e. bunch of revs on both sides.

I manage my best games on the fresh, average on the second, then tend to fall way off on the 3rd game.

I am not real sure what is going on. Obviously the lanes change drastically and fast in this league. Our anchor bowler is the exact opposite as me, in that, he starts slow and increases each game.

for example, last week of league, 268, 246, 158....... and that pretty much sums up what I am trying to say here, but usually not that big of a difference obviously.

I know how to adjust, I watch other peoples lines to see whats working, but I struggle mightily in the 3rd, while others score like crazy... seems that way anyway when I'm struggling , but most fall off in the 3rd. There a few though that have the 3rd figured out, but not me. So this is why I ask for your help, suggestions, tips, advise etc... and any would be appreciated

someone mentioned equipment, and honestly I have not bought any in a while ???

I don't want to make a drastic move in the 3rd like moving way right and playing outside of 5, if I have been swinging the lanes all night, it's just too drastic of a move, completely different way to play the lanes, but I can't find it in the 3rd game :(


If any of you have had similar issues please let me know what you did to overcome them ?

and your feedback would be appreciated

did I mention 14 pins difference ???
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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 08:04:49 PM »
Hi,

I like this question.  I'm a stroker and my difference in the third game is more like this:
220-213-188.  I have tried several things, moving my line left, moving my feet (standing) forward and throwing it harder.  The problems is some weeks I have success, while some week I don't.  Last week for example, I didn't strike until the eighth and had to hit 4 of 5 just to get a 188 (2 splits).....very frustrating.  I could  buy a weaker ball...at the end of this year I will make my decision.

Lastly, I have tried different grips (fingers closer) with some success.  I wish their was a successful system.  Any ideas anyone?

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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 07:59:42 AM »
I see this as being an issue for a lot of lower rev bowlers.  When the shot starts to open up, those bowlers have a hard time generating the rotation and revolutions to "turn the corner".  Using a weaker ball is an option, but that option can become a little more difficult to control since you are trying to stay in the dry for so long. 

My suggestion would be to work on your game in a way to generate the adding rotation and revolutions to be able to swing the ball a little more.  Be comfortable moving inside and getting the ball back to the pocket with the ability to carry.  (assuming you are of the lower rev type bowler)

If you already play inside and can generate the proper rotation/revolutions, then work on your adjustments.  Try anticipating the required moves in advance of when they are needed.  Re-evaluate the ball progressions you currently use and make sure you are making the correct ball choices.  For most people, a move of 1 board on the THS doesn't really make too much of a difference.  A lot of times 2-3 board moves are the minimum needed to make a significant change in ball trajectory (in my experience).

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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 09:32:59 AM »
This happens for a lot of people.  The problem I don't believe is adjusting, because shots can get so mangled by the end of the night that even great bowlers can't "adjust."  But this, in my opinion, is caused more by terrible ball and pattern management than ability to adjust.  A lot of people start out the night using the line and ball that will allow them to score the best right now, but they don't take any consideration on what that will cause to happen in later games.  Yeah, if your box surface Sync gives you a great look out the gate playing 20-8, fine, but what happens when your line burns up?  You can't move right, because yeah, you'll have head oil, but the ball will jump when it hits the midlane burn at 30 feet, but then slide more, then hook again when it hits the backends.  You can move left a little, but soon the Sync won't turn the corner without pitching into the dry you've created, and if you happen to blow right through it, you're picking off the 3 on the right (or left). 

I never throw what gives me the best chance out of the gate.  I see who I'm bowling against, what they're throwing, and what my teammates are throwing, and adjust accordingly.  Wherever everybody else is, that's where I stay away from.  I constantly watch my reaction and their reaction.  If somebody is playing somewhere I think I'll have to eventually move to, I'll keep track of the moves they're making and what their reaction looks like.  Most of the time I start with something weak that doesn't have much surface on it and play further right than I'd like to.  Might cause a few flat 10s, but those are easily picked up, and when the transition sets in around the beginning of the second game, I've set myself up ideally, because now the shot is perfect for what I want.  Being that a fresh house shot is usually scoreable from anywhere, I really don't sacrifice much the first game, but get a lot more the second and third games.  When everybody else is shooting 180 the 3rd game, I'm still in the 230's because I set myself up for it.  It's no different than being on a sport shot and spending time burning up the outsides to give you more room, just on a house shot, you spend the first game AVOIDING burning up the shot.  All there is to it. 
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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 12:39:06 PM »
I don't want to make a drastic move in the 3rd like moving way right and playing outside of 5, if I have been swinging the lanes all night, it's just too drastic of a move, completely different way to play the lanes, but I can't find it in the 3rd game :(

Why not make that move if it would work?  Not all adjustments game to game need to be subtle.  From what you describe, clearly the neighborhood you were in during Games 1 and 2 is not there...and when the neighborhood sucks, you move. 

A tight line with a down and in shot may not be the most glamorous thing to see, but who cares.  If it gets results, THAT is what counts...

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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 01:03:46 PM »
If you bowl in a 5 man league and are right handed it is almost impossible to use the same ball for 3 games unless you hook it more than everybody else and can start an arrow left or have some good tricks.  You need a ball that is slightly weaker than the one you use for the first game and a half or 2 games, but still strong enough to get around the corner.  Then you need to learn when to change balls.

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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 01:21:05 PM »
I don't want to make a drastic move in the 3rd like moving way right and playing outside of 5, if I have been swinging the lanes all night, it's just too drastic of a move, completely different way to play the lanes, but I can't find it in the 3rd game :(

Why not make that move if it would work?  Not all adjustments game to game need to be subtle.  From what you describe, clearly the neighborhood you were in during Games 1 and 2 is not there...and when the neighborhood sucks, you move. 

A tight line with a down and in shot may not be the most glamorous thing to see, but who cares.  If it gets results, THAT is what counts...

Down and in and/or playing tighter is always my go to plan when the lanes start to turn into the desert in my 5 man team.  It's not the prettiest looking as I'm not hooking it from 6th arrow, but it's my A game and it's very effective.  It was a way for me to win head to head games this year and pick up extra points for the end of season payout.

The other thing that helps is that I can throw higher speeds (up to 22-23mph), and can throw harder than most in the league I'm in. 

Two things can help you here.  One way to tell if you are not throwing the right ball is when you start leaving weak/flat 10's or when you throw a great shot and leave a flat split (something like a 5-10 or anything similar).  Basically the ball will be telling you that the energy is burning up and it's time to make a move, change ball speed, or ball down to something weaker.

The other thing is knowing where your teammates and the others are playing on your pair.  If several of them are playing the same area that you are, a good thing to anticipate is moving 1-2 boards with your feet and maybe a board with your eyes every few frames in some cases.  This can help keep you ahead of the transition and keep your ball reaction more consistent.
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Re: 1st & 3rd game delima
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 01:52:07 PM »
Thank you guys for the input. I really do appreciate it . I can play down and in so i will start practicing that line again. Ill practice 2 games as per normal then move out, just so i can start getting used to it mentally.
I know it will work as i have seen others make that move and carry. I just have to make that mental adjustment as well. Im not rev or speed challenged and i personally think that is the best place to play when the lanes are gone.

Again thanks for the feedback