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Title: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Ric Clint on July 12, 2004, 11:40:04 AM

Okay for the 3rd installment...

I've recently been looking for a ball to use on a SCREAMING backend shot, and in the Brunswick forum, I've been discussing different balls to get for this shot... when I thought of something: There's 2 ways to play this shot...

Keep in mind that this is a FRESH shot with head oil, midlane oil, and stripped clean strong backends... the oil is shorter than usual.


1.) Stay in your comfort zone and use a weak ball/weak drilling and play the lanes the way you normally would (as if there was more oil out there and you were using your regular ball)?

2.) Move in deeper and use a stronger backending ball?


Which do you prefer to do?

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Walking E on July 13, 2004, 03:21:29 AM

#1. I might even pick up the ball speed a little bit as well. Trying to play a stronger back end reaction with a more powerful ball doesn't work that well for my game. I tend to wrap a lot of late 10s, and high hits are disastrous.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Ric Clint on July 13, 2004, 04:23:55 AM

And I remember when the TOO HOT's first came out and everybody had them and most everybody used them when the lanes got a little drier, but they didn't really move deeper inside and swing it because it wouldn't really come back THAT strong to play that kind of shot... INSTEAD, they would just stay in there comfort zone (some being straiter bowlers) and just pick up the TOO HOT and t supplied the length and cleaness through the heads for them to shoot the lights out while staying in their comfort zone!

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2004, 04:31:41 AM

I'd go with something fairly weak, but flippy, then add a bit of surface to tame down the backends.  Something with a cover that will give natural length to get down the lane.  Either that or consider urethane.  That will cure your scorched backends.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: CoachJim on July 13, 2004, 06:04:27 AM

You can try a weak solid cover ball like the bruiser, and drill it with a 2 1/2 to 3" pin to pap and kick the cg toward the track this will make the ball get into a roll sooner and not over hook on the back end. Then all you have to do is either polish or sand the ball to get the desired results. If the oil is really short, just drill it with the pin farther from the PaP like about 5 to
5 1/2" or so, keeping the cg kicked toward the track with the Mass bias if any in the track area.

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Hammer3003 on July 13, 2004, 06:26:24 AM

If you are looking for a ball I would say the an x zone.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: MSC2471 on July 13, 2004, 07:42:31 AM

I prefer number one. I had to do this in a tournament this year in Vermont- as I started the day with an Eraser Pearl Particle and by the team event two squads later, had to move to my Barbed Wire. I played the same line I was playing earlier and still had the same carry. By the time the lanes were reoiled I could move back to the EPP. I find that when I move inside on this type of shot with a strong ball, I leave a lot of 6-8 combinations because of the speed I have to keep up to offset the strong back end reaction.

Matt

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 13, 2004, 08:38:49 AM

#1
LAST thing I'd do on screaming backs is use a ball that's flippy....

Personally, I'd use something that's middle of the road that doesn't jump...reactive, low rg,....RotoGrip Rush would be first out......
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 13, 2004, 09:50:28 AM

Ric - I have been experimenting on drilling patterns for a condition like that.  I have used a ball with a 3 inch pin and low topweight and put the pin 1-1/2" - 2" from pap and kept it in in line with the pap and ring finger and placed the cg near the mid grip and midline to give me about 1/2 once side or less.  I use a lower reacting ball and give it some surface.  This gives the ball some bite in the fresh oil and starts to read the midlane and when hitting the dry doesn't become over reactive.  Just a smooth steady arc to the pocket but with good roll.  Also more forgiving on misplaced shots.

Try it out and let me know how it goes.  I haven't steered you wrong yet
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Rick Wunder on July 13, 2004, 10:02:07 AM

These responses illustrate the differences in bowlers' styles and preferences.

On a wet-dry pattern such as that being described here, because of the way I throw the ball, my strong back-end stuff will literally go sideways when it hits the end of the pattern.  That's why I personally prefer to go with something with which I can control the back end when they are fresh and screaming.  In other words, I prefer something that gives me less back end on its own, because the lanes will provide that for me.  In my case, it is either my Trauma Recovery or my Anomaly.  I can go pretty much up the track with the Anomaly, so that has been my preference lately.  This approach was successful enough to allow me to win a tournament a few weeks ago on just such a pattern.

I hope this helps.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Ric Clint on August 01, 2004, 05:26:45 AM

I was recently recommended to play drier lanes a little different than most people would think.

I originally thought of playing this shot from my comfort of standing like 19 and targeting 13 at the arrows with a weak ball... and then I thought about moving deeper to standing like 27 and targeting 17 at the arrows with a lengthy/flippy ball... but recently I was told to move WAY right and stand about 7 and target like 7 at the arrows with a VERY weak ball (with a high polish) and play straight down the boards, even with a weaker release too if needed.

Anyboy else play THIS straight up the boards with a very weak ball when the lanes have SCREAMING backends or when the heads are drying up?

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: MSC2471 on August 01, 2004, 08:51:03 AM

Ric: There was a house I recently practiced at in Kentucky when the heads dried up a little bit and the edge of the lane was much drier than the middle of the lane. I took out my Barbed Wire and targeted 6 board, lining my feet up on an angle and played almost a frozen rope to the pocket. I shot a 269 game playing that line. So maybe targeting outside and playing straighter could be your ticket when you see this condition.

Matt

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on August 02, 2004, 04:02:21 PM

I actually prefer moving out to the gutter on shorter (sport mostly) patterns as long as you can clear the heads. Less axis rotation and tilt to get the ball rolling sooner. Depending on volumes of oil up front dictate the strength of the ball to use. I have also been know to throw up the gutter with plastic. you get a lot of 9 counts but can really work if they are torched.

About number two why use a stronger reacting ball when deep? Why not drill the ball to react farther down the lane also drilling it to have less flare. Again ball strength dependant upon oil levels and your style. Sometimes less is more when playing deep on dry lanes.

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on August 02, 2004, 04:10:54 PM

I'd throw a Slay/R, pin over bridge cg stacked. Play it deep, as that ball can get mad entry angle, and snaps hard.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: TheDude on August 02, 2004, 04:21:35 PM

I haven't seen anyone suggest a change in wrist position, or just playing with your fingers. untucking that pinky finger and spreading both fingers out and some more forward roll can really help to reduce backend.
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Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: twister on August 02, 2004, 04:39:09 PM

I would go with no brackets on this one. if you try playing deep with a skid/flip  or aggressive ball and ease up on the speed or tug the ball you will lose all control and I guarantee you'll have some wicked leaves. When you have flying backends your thought process should be about control and getting to the pocket. Now if you have excellent speed control and accuracy, by all means play deep and use the entry angle to your advantage. Otherwise, I prefer to shoot at a ten or four pin instead of a 2-4-8-10, a bucket, or a greek church.

Title: Re: How do YOU play this shot? ... part 3
Post by: DP3 on August 02, 2004, 05:22:01 PM

I'll either stand in my comfort zone and start out with my Teal Rhino drilled 4x4 or my Monster Slay/R drilled 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 witsanded at 1200 to tame down the backend.  When that starts going high or not carrying I get deeper with something that can give me more entry angle like a Blazing Inferno.
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