Author Topic: Any way to decrease 8-10 splits? (Read 3122 times)

Neptune66 · « **on:** June 12, 2011, 02:24:32 AM »

Very seldom get 7-10, but go through stretches where odds are I'll get at least one 8-10 per game----usually in one that was going quite well up to that point, and usually appears to have been a pocket hit.

Is it just too much speed, not enough angle or revs, or just bad luck? 7-10's, to me, don't seem to scream out for a correction. Usually means a well thrown ball, but unforunate result. Some people (even myself) tend to laugh at those. Sort of an acceptance of something pretty much beyond control.

8-10's don't produce the same feeling at all. Is very frustrating, and I actually can see myself picking up a 7-10 with good shot and some luck. 8-10? Nearly impossible. In fact the one time I did pick it up it was an accident. I was so angry that I threw the ball hard and hit the 8 pin into the left wall, from which it bounced accross and took out the 10. Didn't even see it as my back was turned already, but my teammates told me.

Anyway... had a practice session on Saturday and had so any 8-10's that I lost track of just how many there were.

Is there a way to lessen the liklihood of them?

Am right-handed, and speed is approx, 16-17mph, though was closer to 18 Saturday. Low revs, and not a lot of hand. Was using a Track 607A most of the time, but other equipment also produced some splits.

If it IS the speed, then maybe I was just rushing. But any advice appreciated.

Thanks.

bighook69 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2011, 10:59:27 AM »

Its all about "power" and entry angle into the pocket, you seem to have alluded that you are speed dominant, this is your primary reason for the split, as you are most likely lacking much entry angle into the pocket and your ball is most likely hitting flat. Adjustments with your feet to get the ball to finish higher in the pocket may help, or just invest in some more 'hand'

glssmn2001 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2011, 11:20:43 AM »

You say you are hitting the pocket, but how are you hitting the pocket. If the ball is not driving through the pocket then you are susceptible to splits, 8-10 being one of them. You need to make sure your ball is transitioning into a roll as it is entering the pocket area with a decent entry angle.

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Brandon Riley · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2011, 11:48:11 AM »

bad racks? what weight do you throw?

But the likely culprit is either when you are missing in, the ball skidding 60' on the wall into the pocket and deflecting or your ball hooking really early/burning up resulting in no entry angle and energy into the pins.

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2011, 08:28:05 PM »

Some 7-10s and most 8-10s have a similar cause - lack of power upon entering the pocket.

If you are speed dominant, there are several possible causes.

- not enough surface for the amount of oil on the lane.

- too weak a drilling for the ball itself.

- not playing a breakpoint far enough to the outside of the lane, winding up with lack of entry angle.

Given that you cannot, at this point, reduce your ball speed or increase your rev rate.

You have have to account for both of those with ball strength (thru either surface or drilling) and/or proper or adjusted breakpoint. Surface is the easier one initially, of course.

If you're not speed dominant, but are rev dominant you might be doing the opposite of the above

- You might be using too much surface and the ball is using up too much of its energy in th emidlane and hitting weakly.

- You could be using too strong a drilling. Many people love to use what used to be called "stacked leverage" drillings to maximize the power of the ball. It is often counter productive. Too much flare too early, again using up the ball's energy too soon.

- you could be playing out into the dry too early. You need to hit the dry later down the lane using a later breakpoint. Hitting the dry too early also uses up the ball's power too soon.

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Neptune66 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2011, 08:35:26 PM »

Yes, I am fairly speed dominant, although not as much as a few years ago. And my ball probably was skidding or at least not in a roll long enough before reaching the pins. I use 15 and 16 pound balls, and yesterday was 15, but not using anything less than that.

The ball was probably skidding. The lanes were not that oily, so the ball was covering boards, but I was bowling alone and at a very fast pace between shots. So even though there was a change of direction, it was probably not a rolling change.

I was hoping there was some change in where to aim or in method of delivering the ball, but does sound like I was just too fast this outing.

bighook69 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2011, 10:28:04 PM »

As far as a method... you could try tucking your pinky, targeting closer to the foul line, moving up on the approach... anything that might reduce your ball speed or increase your rev rate (this is assuming your ball is not burning up)

Neptune66 wrote on 6/12/2011 8:35 PM:Yes, I am fairly speed dominant, although not as much as a few years ago. And my ball probably was skidding or at least not in a roll long enough before reaching the pins. I use 15 and 16 pound balls, and yesterday was 15, but not using anything less than that.

The ball was probably skidding. The lanes were not that oily, so the ball was covering boards, but I was bowling alone and at a very fast pace between shots. So even though there was a change of direction, it was probably not a rolling change.

I was hoping there was some change in where to aim or in method of delivering the ball, but does sound like I was just too fast this outing.

Neptune66 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2011, 08:20:30 PM »

Definitely not burning up. At least it wasn't the problem on the particular outing that prompted me to start this thread. Tucking in the pinky is something I've often thought about, but oddly enough...never tried. No idea why, but certainly worth a shot.

And I have on occasion tried shortening my approach and it has actually worked. But for some reason I tend not to stick with it very long. My comfort zone for starting position is the set of dots farthest from the pins, and almost like a homing device I seem to always return there eventually. Am going to try to move up on the approach and stay there for awhile. (And fight the temptation to revert to the father point.)

Thank you.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #8 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:29:34 AM »

bighook69 wrote on 12.06.2011 10:59 AM:Its all about "power" and entry angle into the pocket, you seem to have alluded that you are speed dominant, this is your primary reason for the split, as you are most likely lacking much entry angle into the pocket and your ball is most likely hitting flat. Adjustments with your feet to get the ball to finish higher in the pocket may help, or just invest in some more 'hand'

+1. I'd also say that it is a mis-match of speed and entry angle. You are either entering the pocket with too little angle and/or roll, or you are too fast, so that you punch the pins away instead of giving them time to mix and take each other out (which is necessary to get a strike, anyway). So, maybe it is also a release issue - or at least your release could be another factor behind the more obvious things. What's your PAP? If it is rather low, ball deflection could be the result, which can leave ugly splits despite visually "good" pocket hits.

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Neptune66 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:22:57 PM »

I don't know my PAP. Would my driller be able to tell me from the ball's specs, or from knowing something about the way I deliver the ball? Or would he need to see me bowl (He has seen me bowl in the past, but many moons have passed since then).

Am also thinking in addition to my angle and/or speed being off, that I was trying to force the wrong ball to work on the wrong conditions for it to work its magic. I like the 607A and skid flip balls in general, but this particular day I was fighting to keep it on the right side of the head pin. Even when I threw what appeared to be a pocket hit, it was still possibly a high hit in actuality. Should have switched to a more arcing or weaker ball, but was stubborn.

:-)

Neptune66 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:23:16 PM »

I don't know my PAP. Would my driller be able to tell me from the ball's specs, or from knowing something about the way I deliver the ball? Or would he need to see me bowl (He has seen me bowl in the past, but many moons have passed since then).

Am also thinking in addition to my angle and/or speed being off, that I was trying to force the wrong ball to work on the wrong conditions for it to work its magic. I like the 607A and skid flip balls in general, but this particular day I was fighting to keep it on the right side of the head pin. Even when I threw what appeared to be a pocket hit, it was still possibly a high hit in actuality. Should have switched to a more arcing or weaker ball, but was stubborn.

:-)

usfan51473 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 15, 2011, 09:44:18 AM »

If you change your entry angle to the pocket, say coming in a little lighter, you should get more mix and decrease the likelihood of those big splits. To do this, try moving backward on the approach 1/2 a step.

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Author Topic: Any way to decrease 8-10 splits? (Read 3122 times)

Neptune66

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glssmn2001

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charlest

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