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leftyinsnellville

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Turning slide foot after release....
« on: May 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM »
I was watching a video that I made a few weeks back and I noticed that after I release the ball I turn my slide foot to the left.  Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNv0V6vxqU4

Is this common?  Is it a sign of poor balance or something else I should work on?

Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 07:20:58 AM »
Yup, it is a sign that the balance at the foul line is not right. From what I can tell it looks as if you are late with your swing - you are already at the foul line with your sliding foot but the ball is still moving forward, so the slide does not actually catch the momentum of your body. Instead, you are "standing" at the foul line, and your body has to compensate for the pendulum's inbalance, which leads to this foot movement. I know this trouble - I tend to do simlar things when I speed my approach up a bit too much. I try to consciously slow down then, and let my stance be guided by the forward swing, so that I get my sliding movement back in sync with the pendulum. It does not look like a big issue in your video, but I'd check the timing
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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 07:32:57 AM »
I turn mine the opposite way, toe inside and ankle to the outside.  I had a spell years ago where I was frequently grazing my ankle with the ball (HURTS LIKE H***!). A couple of times I hit it so solid I took my leg out from under me and wound up in a wad on the approach. Around then is the first I remember starting this "toe in, ankle out" thing.  It also caused me to "crabwalk" - I shifted my hips left and turned my upper body sideways - kind of forming a "C" to keep my balance with the ball in motion - in preparation of keeping the ball away from my ankle. Plus, I've always had a tendency to rush a bit, so that doesn't help this condition any. Hard habit to overcome now, 20 years later...

I've been getting a bit better on the crabwalk thing, staying more square the last 5 years or so, but I still twist my foot even when my timing is good.  I think subconciously I'm still afraid of hitting my ankle.

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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 01:22:56 PM »
I do the same thing, only im right handed and turn it to the right.

To be honest when I have tried to correct it I never really noticed much of a difference in my delivery, it just put less stress on my knee

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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 01:48:42 PM »
I think Dizzy is on the right track here. It looks like you have stopped sliding and then the ball comes through. The torque from the ball turns your hips left and the foot has to follow. It's not a huge thing but something that needs to be looked at. Late timing is good but your forward movement shouldn't be ended at the time of the ball clearing your hand. I have a tendency for early timing so I am trying to work on making it later. When I get really late, I do the same thing with my foot. You may be able to adjust your balance arm position to combat the torque affect from the ball. If I keep mine horizontal and in line with my shoulders, I have more success with maintaining my relationship to the foul line.
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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 01:50:55 PM »
Plant your non-slide foot...You will stay balanced.
It's hard to do.
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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 02:10:03 PM »
Lefty,

  What I noticed was, upon your release, your momentum continues to the left which causes your balance point to change, which is causing your foot adjustment at the foul line.

 You also appear to have the same problem I have, which causes me to do the same thing at times. Your shoulder is dropped on release, which causes you to "lean into" the release, making you a bit unbalanced just as you release the ball. You have a release, then a small "bounce" to compensate that allows you to re-balance after the ball is gone. A couple of times, your trailing leg went further out to compensate and your foot didn't turn as much.

  When I, or a team mate, catches me doing this, I try to make sure to square up good and not drop my shoulder so much during the approach/release and it helps me quite a bit. Dropping my shoulder always causes me to do this.
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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 01:17:09 AM »
I just started opening my shoulders to my target as opposed to walking towards it, and I'm noticing this about my foot as well.  I'm right handed though.  I sort of agree this could be a result of late timing, but I don't want to run into early timing either.  I've been told the foot should come to a stop just as you get to the release, is this right?  I'm not really sure what I should do.  My options are either to start the ball sooner or slow down a bit right?  I don't turn it as much as Lefty's, just an fyi.

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Re: Turning slide foot after release....
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 03:00:26 AM »
Ideally, with a sliding foot, you have your pendulum and the slide in sync with the momentum of your body. This decreases the force you need to apply to get everything in sync, and a good timing will also help you at the release point, when you generate the best/most leverage and momentum. It sounds very simple, but there are many factors that go together, and with a proper executions these add together and create lost of power.

When you plant the shot, you need to make this lack of body momnetum up with power from the rest of the body.
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