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coco3085

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how much longer till bowling is dead?
« on: September 06, 2011, 08:58:10 AM »
we start our men's league here in the city where i bowl tonight.  it seems like 60 to 70% of the bowlers that bowl in the leagues, both tuesday and wednesday are in their late 50's to late 70's.  i don't know what it's like in other places, but when i bowl in state and at state high 5 it seems that way also.  i'm only 37 but even my team is older with me being the youngest by about 8 years, and that guy is my brother, then the other three are 52 58 and my dad who is 64.  is bowling an older generation sport, and if so is it going to die out as members start dropping into the "gutter"


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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 05:28:48 PM »
honestly, it will survive in my opinion. the leagues will hopefully thrive again but not till our economy picks up if ever right now the workforce is so stress that most the people you see bowling are moslty retired. at least where im from with 50 percent at 15yrs ago in my town being employeed by chrysler or a near gm plant all closed now. the leagues that one time thrived with a waiting list to join now have the owners scraping to keep the leagues going. but bowling itself will stay as long as you have people who want to bowl and people who have the money and means to enjoy the passtime. i will say that since they started pushing HS bowling around here im seeing a surge in youth in the leagues hopefully it will continue and perhaps return to where it once was.



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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 05:46:39 PM »
Usually I read these type topics and just listen because our area hasnt seen a huge drop. Letme be the 1st to say...its hit here too. Never got phone calls before about teams needing more and more bowlers. Really understand now how much this is dropping. Like always....the kids are the future of the sport! Proprieters really have to do a  above average job on making sign ups more fun and interesting.....got to keep the kids in it for the long haul, because its true...seems like the only ones bowling steady are the middle 50 guys that are ok in their current financial situation. Hope its really just the eonomy and not the sport.



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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 07:12:08 PM »
There are plenty of youth bowlers. Just look at all the youth programs there are: Junior Bowlers Tour, Junior Gold, Teen Masters, North Pointe etc.

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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 09:02:40 PM »
Ironically bowling is thriving as a recreational activity while declining competitively.   I think the game as a sport needs to re invent itself along the model of golf.  Only a fraction of golfers are anything other than recreational, but the game is still respected as a sport by course management, and the public.  Let proprietors make money the best way they can off their lanes, but clean up after the birthday parties, and promote challenging conditions.  They really have an opportunity to go such a route on a low risk basis right now.  As the cash flow comes more from non leagues, they can put out the challenging conditions without alienating  the bulk of their revenue source who can only tell an easy condition by the presence of bumpers. 



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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 01:27:36 AM »
What do you mean?

 

 Bowling died a while back, they just haven't gotten around to burying it yet.

 

 Us old timer, hard headed, die hards will keep it on life support for a while, but eventually they'll turn the machines off one last time, and bowling will go the way of the Tasmanian Tiger, carrier pigeon, and dodo bird.


 


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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 07:25:51 AM »
With regard to younger people wanting to bowl regularly or be involved in the sporting aspects of this game, 3 of the best bowlers in one house in which I bowl regularly are 3 young men who are in the 19 - 24 year old range. On the house shots, they average between 230 and 252 for the season. All 3 throw in the higher ball speed range, 17 - 20 mph at the backend  (Qubica speed guns) and are in the higher rev range, 375 - 500+ rpms. They also bowl regularly in other house and in PBA regionals. All are also quiet, respectful and just plain nice guys.
 
As opposed to a few years ago, many leagues are on the rise in team numbers again, although some men are STILL dropping out due to loss of jobs or reduction in pay. That said, the main reason we learn for not being able to fill some spots in line-ups is that potential replacements are bowling elsewhere that night or are already bowling in too many leagues.
 
And, might I add, that here in NJ, "OFFICIAL" unemployment is still around 10%, while practical unemployment is closer to the 18-20% range.
 


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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 07:46:53 AM »
USBC membership has been going down for many years and it appears that USBC has no remedy for it.

 

A bowler that bowls in 5 leagues per week is only counted as one USBC bowler.  I know the center will count him/her as 5, as they should.  But, when one of these bowlers drops out, due to illness, lost of job, etc. the center sees a lost of 5 bowlers while USBC sees only 1. 

 

My point is, as USBC membership goes down, the centers are taking even bigger hits assuming that most members bowl in 2 leagues or more.  The other issue is that all local centers are competing for the same bowlers, ie easy shots. Most bowlers will bowl where they can average 240 instead of 200.

 

I do not see bowling getting better in the near future.  USBC seems to recycle its leadership every few years and reuse old ideas.  I remember when Ebonite purchased Bowlers Map and told every Pro Shop to invest in coaching.  USBC jumped on the band wagon and said "Coaching" will save bowling by making everyone a better bowler therefore making them want to bowl in more leagues.  We can all see that really worked.

 

Like most of you, I do not have the answer.  My only thought is to have USBC clean house and bring in new and younger leaders.  They may have better ways to communicate with our younger and novice bowlers.  Its obvious, that the current USBC leader have no idea !



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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 09:17:38 AM »
i see what you guys are saying, and i do think that the economy is a big issue right now.  but most of our youth bowlers go on to college and then don't come back.  now i am saying this from a small city, only ab out 5000 in our metro area, but after last night it is depressing.  2 fewer teams than last year, and only one guy that i didn't know who was new.  it used to be that 5 years ago when is started here, the only reason i got on the team was because my dad was a founding member of said team.  now i'm the captain, and only my dad is left from the originals.  our bowling proprieter does a good job, but as a stated originally, it really seems to be thinning out around here, and the next closest shop is 45 min away so we are not loosing to other alleys.  how do you get the video game 20 year olds to come in and stop wii bowing, and start real bowing?


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Re: how much longer till bowling is dead?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2011, 09:36:55 AM »
On the other hand (see my reply above), in my driller's home house, owned by an independent who treats his bowlers amazingly well given how some AMF-owned and Brunswick-owned houses treats their bowlers, has seen their major scratch league reduce to a shadow of its former self.
 
Last year 2010-2011, it went from a 4 man scratch to a 3 man scratch, and the total number of teams were reduced. This season, 2011-12, it has been reduced to a doubles leagues and the first league night is tonight. My friend who bowls in it just told me he was worried that there won't be enough people for a doubles league (32 lane house).
 
3 years ago, the owner put out a hard shot so all these good bowlers wouldn't average 240-250. Some bowlers left. So he put out a much easier, but still not easy house blended pattern. High average was around 232, and more people left. Now it's a plain house pattern. (PBA Regionals are still held here, once, and sometimes 2x a year.)
 


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