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carlos · « **on:** April 04, 2010, 02:37:42 AM »

I have a situation in the league that I bowl in. I was a sub on the team ( I will be bowler C ) in which bowler B quit. Bowler B quit because he said he was going to have knee surgery. I sub for 4 weeks in which bowler A ( the captain) paid for bowler B. Bowler B said he would pay the captain for the four weeks and he was just leaving the team and was not interested in the prize fund. The captain asked me ( Bowler C ) if I would like to take his place take over the weekly payments and get his prize money at the end of the season minus the 4 weeks that he owed her. Sounded like a good deal and I took it. Bowler B also bowls in another league that he did not quit and still bowls every week. We bowled as a team last Wend. and one of our main bowlers did not make it and Bowler B just happened to be in the area with his bowling ball and took his spot for the night. I hear the captain talking about how many weeks did I bowled versus how many he bowled. The captain was talking about me and bowler B taking half the prize fund because he showed up and helped us win some games. I told the captian that was not what we agreed on when I became a full time member. The captain told me it was moral issue since he paid almost half the year and he helped us win a couple of weeks. Am I out of line wanting all the prize fund money ? It's a good chance that we may come in first place worst case second. I would still feel the same way about the prize fund money if we came in last place. Are there any rules on this matter ? If you were in this situation what would you do ? Bowler B said he is putting off knee surgery for now and will pay the captain for the 4 weeks. We are going to have a team meeting on this on the next time we bowl. Thanks for suggestions. Carlos

Baboon · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2010, 10:41:03 AM »

The only moral issue is that if the captain told you you get a certain portion of the money, that's what you get. He could have agreed to give you 1% or 100%, and it doesn't matter as long as he goes through with it.

mumzie · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2010, 11:18:03 AM »

my standard rule is that if a bowler quits without notice - just stops showing up for whatever reason, they get NO part of the prize money.
If they follow the rules, and quit in good standing, with paid notice to find another bowler, than the original bowler gets the portion of the prize fund they're entitled to.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2010, 11:22:24 AM »

Our team has multiple members that don't bowl every week. When we get our prize fund at the end, we divide it up by how many games the bowler actually paid for bowling. Here is an example:

Our league is 36 weeks, and each week is 3 games. 36 X 3 = 108 games per bowler. 5 bowlers each week is 108 X 5 = 540 total games bowled.

Then, we divide the prize fund by 540 to find out what each bowled game was worth, then multiply that by how many games each individual bowler bowled.

If one guy bowled every game, he gets a full 1/5 the prize money (108/540). If one guy only bowled/paid 42 games, he gets only a part (42/540).

If someone bowled, but did not pay, the shortage comes DIRECTLY out of HIS winnings only, so as not to effect those who have fully paid (unless the shortage is too great, but we control that by kicking people like that off the team before it gets that way).

Seems to me that you should be satisfied receiving the prize money for the games you actually bowled/paid for. Bowling only a fraction of a league and expecting to get all the prize money just doesn't sound right to me.
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chatnboy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2010, 12:02:17 PM »

i understand what you guys who believe he should get what he paid for are saying...but the captain should not had made ANY deals unless she knows the original guy is coming back!!!!yeah the guy who paid should be entitled to get some of that money back but it should have been made clear before the new guy took over!!!!don't tell me im getting ALL the money...then switch up because this other guy comes back for a couple of weeks to bowl!!!!i would be salty as hell with this "captain" for saying one thing then doing another because the new guy probably would not have bowled from the get go...!!!!say what you mean....and MEAN WHAT YOU SAY!!!!
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carlos · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2010, 12:08:20 PM »

juggernaunt I would not be against that at all if that's how it was stated when I first joined. People should stick to their word. Darth your right I did not pay early for the early weeks. The captain came to me with the offer not the other way around. Bowler B agreed to just walk away leaving the team to try and find someone. I guess it's viewed 50/50

Robadat · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2010, 01:04:23 PM »

The right thing to do would be to pro rate the share between you and the original bowler based on the amount you each paid.

Unless you know for a fact that the original bowler gave the captain explicit permission to give away his rightful share, (which appears NOT to be the case, since he's asking for what is rightfully his), what the captain said shouldn't matter.

If I were in your spot, I would vote to share the winnings with him.
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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2010, 10:59:29 AM »

If you were told up front that the prize fund would be split between you and bowler "B" based on how many games you bowled during the season, would you still have taken the spot on the team?

If your answer is yes, then I'd say go ahead and do that, but make it clear you don't appreciate being jerked around like that and will deal with them appropriately in the future (basically not trusting their word on anything).

If your answer is No, then I would make that clear to the team, and leave the decision up to them. Either they give you 100% of bowler "B" prize money at the end of the year or else bowler "B" gets his spot back in the lineup and you will not bowl for them any more.

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carlos · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:22:49 AM »

I was clearly told that I would get his prize money because he was just walking away. There was no mention about splitting any money with bowler B. The captain also made a statement about the better off we finish the more money I would get. 9andawiggle the answer to your first question is No. Because of my schedule before the season started I did not think I would be able to bowl on a consistent basis. I don't like to commit to something pay money and not be able to show up.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:38:31 AM »

Please clarify .. how many weeks did the bowler pay for that you replaced (assume that the bowler paid for the four weeks paid by the Captain)?
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chatnboy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:40:56 AM »

well thats the answer right there...she spoke up so she should keep her word!!!!but i know one team that i would not EVER bowl for again EVER!!!
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T C 300 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:49:47 AM »

if dude quit and stoped paying you should get the prize money.. on the other hand if he had a GOOD reason to quit, you guys should divide the prize money up according to how many nights you EACH payed.... and how many weeks are left in your league by the way?

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who gives a shiit if he sub'd and supposedly won you guys points.... LOL

Crash7189 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:59:32 AM »

A deal is a deal. You agreed to a verbal contract. Just because the Caption and Bowler (B) Kissed and made up. That should not reflect on your deal period.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2010, 12:03:43 PM »

Always had a copy of the USBC/ABC rule book around .. can't find it now .. anything in the RULE BOOK on this???
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carlos · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2010, 01:04:41 PM »

The guy paid for about 3 months. Darth he told me he has always had knee problems. I guess it was not bad enough for him to stop bowling in the other league which is the day after ours. I'm not sure if he bit off more than he could chew financially bowling both leagues or not. The guy told the team that he quit. He did not try to find a replacement for the team. Is it his job to look for someone to take his place ? To me that would be the least he could have done. He just told the team I quit do what you want with the prize money. The captain made me the offer not the other way around.

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