Author Topic: How should this be handled (Read 7327 times)

carlos · « **on:** April 04, 2010, 02:37:42 AM »

I have a situation in the league that I bowl in. I was a sub on the team ( I will be bowler C ) in which bowler B quit. Bowler B quit because he said he was going to have knee surgery. I sub for 4 weeks in which bowler A ( the captain) paid for bowler B. Bowler B said he would pay the captain for the four weeks and he was just leaving the team and was not interested in the prize fund. The captain asked me ( Bowler C ) if I would like to take his place take over the weekly payments and get his prize money at the end of the season minus the 4 weeks that he owed her. Sounded like a good deal and I took it. Bowler B also bowls in another league that he did not quit and still bowls every week. We bowled as a team last Wend. and one of our main bowlers did not make it and Bowler B just happened to be in the area with his bowling ball and took his spot for the night. I hear the captain talking about how many weeks did I bowled versus how many he bowled. The captain was talking about me and bowler B taking half the prize fund because he showed up and helped us win some games. I told the captian that was not what we agreed on when I became a full time member. The captain told me it was moral issue since he paid almost half the year and he helped us win a couple of weeks. Am I out of line wanting all the prize fund money ? It's a good chance that we may come in first place worst case second. I would still feel the same way about the prize fund money if we came in last place. Are there any rules on this matter ? If you were in this situation what would you do ? Bowler B said he is putting off knee surgery for now and will pay the captain for the 4 weeks. We are going to have a team meeting on this on the next time we bowl. Thanks for suggestions. Carlos

ccrider · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2010, 01:36:52 PM »

Mark,

I would expect what I was promised. If I agreed to take on an extra night of bowling, only I can assess what the cost is to me. The extra incentive of an equal cut on the payout may have persuaded me to bowl, rather than to use my time otherwise. Once I made that decision in reliance on the promise that I would receive whatever the share of the payout that I was promised, that is exactly what I would expect. I think most people would expect the same.

I sub in one league. I have to drive two hours round trip to get to the alley. If I was asked to fill in for a full time drop out and offered his share of the pot, and I decided to do it, in the end, I would fully expect just what I was promised, whether it meant I bowled full time for a month or three months. It was my choice to put a value on my time and bowl when I had previously decided not to be committed for that night.

It is not about the money, but the principle. People ought to do what they say they are going to do.
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rvmark · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2010, 05:31:09 PM »

CC

We are all entitled to our own opinions you have yours and I have mine. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think we are only hearing one side of the story as in situation no offense to carlos. If that is the only reason you were willing to bowl then you need to do what you feel is right for you. I on the other hand would not have taken the money to begin with, I bowl because I enjoy it and money is not the issue. Again we are all entitled to opinions.

Mark

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2010, 05:35:08 PM »

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CC

We are all entitled to our own opinions you have yours and I have mine. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think we are only hearing one side of the story as in situation no offense to carlos. If that is the only reason you were willing to bowl then you need to do what you feel is right for you. I on the other hand would not have taken the money to begin with, I bowl because I enjoy it and money is not the issue. Again we are all entitled to opinions.

Mark

I see it this way also!
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ccrider · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2010, 06:15:35 PM »

Mark,

I am sure you are correct, in that there is another side of the story that we have not heard. I also bowl for the game and the competition. I have to explain this to my wife constantly, as she realizes that I never win any money, and the time I spend bowling is not helping pay the bills at the house. I still think that if the promise was made, it should be honored.

Again, not about the money, the principle is what is key.
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Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.

Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.

rvmark · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2010, 08:38:28 PM »

CC,

I must be one of the lucky ones because my wife enjoys bowling as well and never complains about the money spent on bowling.

Good luck to you.

Mark

Jorge300 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 07, 2010, 12:25:23 PM »

Let's take this scenario out of the bowling alley and look at it in real life....

You are getting repairs done to your home.....a "friend" who is a contactor tell you he can do it for you for $300....and the lowest bid you have from any other contractor is $1000, so you ok. Nothing in writing, he is a friend, no need to have it in writing. After about 2-3 weeks of doing the work on the weekends, he comes back and says....well I need to charge you $600 now. Would you agree? Probably because it is still less then the bids you got. But what if he says it will be $1200 or $1500 now?

This is the crux of the matter. Carlos was told/promised something. Was it something he didn't deserve, yes. He only deserved to get paid for the weeks he was there, not a full share. Just like in the sceanrio above where you were trying to get something you didn't deserve, repairs done for less then reasonable wages. If the captain made this claim on his own, he needs to live by it. If that means he pays either Carlos or Bowler B out of his own pocket, so be it. The captain was desparate to make sure they had a bowler so they could remain competitive, I would assume. So he made an offer Carlos could not refuse in order to make sure he would say yes. No matter what is the correct way to handle things, this was the offer he chose to make. Why should he be let out of his offer now? Just like the contractor friend, you would tell them tough, you said you could do it for $300, if it costs you more then that, it's on you, not me.
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Steven · « **Reply #37 on:** April 07, 2010, 12:41:05 PM »

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If the captain made this claim on his own, he needs to live by it. If that means he pays either Carlos or Bowler B out of his own pocket, so be it. The captain was desparate to make sure they had a bowler so they could remain competitive, I would assume. So he made an offer Carlos could not refuse in order to make sure he would say yes. No matter what is the correct way to handle things, this was the offer he chose to make. Why should he be let out of his offer now?

Excellent analysis by Jorge, and I agree. I personally think all should be paid according to their contributions in these situations. That's the way I've personally handled these situations. It's dangerous promising a bigger piece of the pie than one has 'earned', but an agreement is an agreement. It's pure ethics.

carlos · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2010, 05:51:34 PM »

After talking to the captain letting her know where I stand the matter it's all cleared up. She made offers from bowler B to pay me off. Which I declined. In our league you pay for the last two weeks during the first month and you don't pay for the last two weeks. Bowler B paid for the last two weeks when he started. Since I did not take the pay off offer the captain told me that Bowler B will be bowling the last two weeks.I'm the regular bowler now. Keep in mind that he walked away from the team. When I asked the captain about him quitting the team and forfeiting the prize money she said " he did not quit he walked away". I did not debate about what "walking away" means because now I know I can't believe a word that comes out her mouth. As we bowled last night she approached the secretary about four times trying to justify her actions. The secretary told me today that the captain accused me of throwing off so we would lose. Granted I had a bad night 196,178,179 for a 553 series. Our lead off guy had a 511 series and she was not much better if not worse. I guess this is a lesson to be learned. If your on a team and have any changes go to the league offical's and get it in writing. No matter how cut and dry it sounds.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2010, 07:15:33 PM »

CARLOS .. confusing .. the PAYOFF you refer too .. they were asking YOU to pay the x=bowler for the two weeks that the x-bowler prepaid .. IS THAT CORRECT? Reads like the x-bowler was paying you!

Did it wind up that you will receive an amount based on the NUMBER OF WEEKS BOWLED (PAID FOR) and x-bowler will receive the remainder?
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carlos · « **Reply #40 on:** April 09, 2010, 03:04:36 PM »

I will get paid for the amount of weeks that I bowled not what the captain promised when I joined the team.

Steven · « **Reply #41 on:** April 09, 2010, 03:07:56 PM »

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I guess this is a lesson to be learned. If your on a team and have any changes go to the league offical's and get it in writing. No matter how cut and dry it sounds.

Good advice for anbody.

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