Author Topic: How spoiled are bowlers? (Read 2842 times)

Russell · « **on:** August 15, 2009, 11:46:41 PM »

I was at my league meeting last Wednesday night and couple of things that got me thinking about how much things have changed in just the past few years.

Our league starts at 9pm, and people were complaining because the house wasn't going to strip and oil the lanes fresh for our league. Last year we were in a different house and we had a completely fresh shot each night...so people wanted the same in the new house.

Does the other team not bowl on the exact same thing you are bowling on each week? If they put the US Open pattern on your pair why does it matter? You just have to beat the team you are matched up against....if you shoot 90 pins under average and win...what's the problem?

(and don't give me this "but I'm in brackets" crap either....you still have to make shots)

I saw someone complaining on a message board about a tournament not putting out the advertised shot. They said they were using a particular PBA pattern and it apparently was some variation of it. They were mad because they brought their "______ pattern equipment".

I understand that the game is very technical now....but when we have become so dependent on the balls and oil that we can't possibly compete unless we have the ball for that house...or that pattern. Now I know that on tour it does matter that much...but those guys are doing it for a living...but we do it for fun.

Just a couple of observations....
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leftyinsnellville · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2009, 07:59:25 AM »

I agree with the idea that because our competition has to bowl on the same condition, a fresh shot is not imperative.

But as far as what conditions are being laid out at a tournament, they should either lay the advertised shot or don't tell anybody what the shot is going to be. Tournaments cost money to enter, sometimes a lot. If they tell me they're laying down the Scorpion, I'm naturally going to bring balls that I know will do better on the Scorpion. If I get there and they laid the Cheetah, I'm gonna be ticked.

I think what our local RealBowlers tournaments are doing now is the way to go...they don't advertise what the shot is going to be. Then everybody brings an aresenal that can match up to any condition, and everybody is left to figure things out.

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Russell · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:18:45 AM »

Steve I agree the right way to do things is to simply say "house shot" or "competitive/sport pattern" and let everyone figure it out beyond that point.

It goes to my point a little bit to say that you have balls for different patterns. When I was bowling regionals the most balls I ever had in my full arsenal at one time was maybe 7 or 8. I took them all to each stop and had to figure out was the proper line/angle of attack. I'm not saying I was good...but I think most of the good competitive bowlers out there are the same. I know guys on tour drills ball every other day....but that is a different world. They are playing a game where their paycheck is on the line.

I am saying that I think we make the game too technical and difficult now. I think we worry too much about what "look" we need rather than solid mechanics and throwing good shots. I'm not saying this to you...just in general. I fell into that trap when I first got out there bowling regionals. I would come back from a tournament and think I needed a different look...and that was why I didn't bowl better. Of course now that I don't bowl competitively anymore I realize this.....lol.
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justdale · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:29:32 AM »

The answer to your question is

YES

Isn't that what practice is for, to use that time wisely and select the proper equipment for that particular condition you are supposed to bowl on.

Of course people will disagree with me, and thats fine
I am just giving my 2 cents
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Roto_Ryan · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:33:26 AM »

Unfortunately, it's no longer about the team winning or even beating other people. They want to score high cause thats fun to them. We have our premier adult scracth league on wednesday nights. It's always been house shot and thats fine but this year it changed houses and the new house decided to lay down a middle of the line Kegel pattern. Everybody knew it and it was going ok brought scores down a touch except for those who are really talented. One man was even heard saying hes not paying 25 dollars a nite to shoot 190. It's the sad state of our game but people will always complain.

stormed1 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:21:18 PM »

A few years back i bowled in a league which i thought had a unique and great idea. We had 6 shots ( 5 sport and house wall). Week to week you didn't know what shot would be out there till your first practice ball. Then you had to figure it out during practice. The only thing we knew for sure was that each shot would appear 6 times over the course of the season. Position round for the end of each 3rd and the finals was drawn out of a hat by a person not associated with the league. It made t interesting and as always the cream rises to the top
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n00dlejester · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:30:39 PM »

A general observation I got from this thread: scoring high is more important to bowlers than winning.

I agree that people tend to focus too hard on like, the technical aspects of the game and focus on their game. While that is very important adn essential to winning, winning should be the bottom line. There's no wrong way to win...chase a flush draw and hit on the river is the same as tripping out a 4 pin on your fill shot to win. There are guys in my PBA league that win their head to head match with a 175 and are LIVID. I am like, "a W is a W man, nice shooting." One time I said that to the first place guy and he goes, "Thanks for the life lesson dad." It's sad the mentality of good bowlers is that pathetic.

I'm so glad I grew up with people telling me to just do my best and everything else will fall in place. And lately, it definitely has been. And it irks me to no end how some of these guys act out there on the lanes.

/rant, lol
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JustRico · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:38:17 PM »

This is what has happened to the game. Bowlers, at the basic level, rely too much on equipment and not performing. As soon as the term 'patterns' arrived, bowlers truly believe they need certain balls to perform on certains patterns. Bowlers do not know how to build an arsenal properly and use it.
The age of shot making has gone out the door. Too many bowlers do not know the difference between a good shot and a bad one. They are too tuned into blaming the shot-not playing how it's supposed to or what may have been advertised or they didn't have the right equipment or etc. When was the last time a bowler said he bowled bad? This is why it is not nor will be a sport. Too much emphasis on equipment, as well as too much control by the individual pushing the button.
It is amazing that we were able to perform 20 yrs ago, not knowing the condition. We would show up and throw the ball and adjust to what we were given.

I wait for the day that I go to the golf course and hear a golfer complain to the pro shop about the speed of the greens or the length of the rough. The loft on my putter was wrong or I had the wrong wedges.

Show up and BOWL.
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jorr19 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:44:03 PM »

it depends on what type of league it is. i bowl in a friendly league with 2 people over 60. if its dry they physically cant throw the ball the speed and angles that the condition requires. im fine, they are not. so in that instance i disagree.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:49:20 PM »

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I wait for the day that I go to the golf course and hear a golfer complain to the pro shop about the speed of the greens or the length of the rough. The loft on my putter was wrong or I had the wrong wedges.

That is already happening Ric. Not to the amount of whining by bowlers but I have seen the exact issue that you mention on courses in the past few years.

As far as golf equipment, it exactly the same as bowling equipment. Golfers change equipment as fast as bowlers always looking for something better or that they may match up better with.

It's more the change of society as people are raised to be molly coddled as youth they expect to be catered to as adults. It's the age of entitlement.
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JustRico · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:59:29 PM »

Changing golf equipment is not going to allow a golfer to shoot under par within a year. Golf still has integrity in their game. Bowling does not. Too many games played with lane conditions and trying to shut certain players out.

You say you may have already heard golfers complain about the speed of the greens or the length of the rough. I have not. Maybe in the group I am playing with. But not where they run into the clubhouse and tell the groundscrew that if they do not change, they will never play there again.

Bowlers have no clue the difference between a true condition to a house condition. They expect the bowling centers to cater to them and if not, they threaten and/or leave. Bowlers are spoiled in their expectations.

Equipment has effected both games. But until golf makes the holes bigger (which BTW they have considered), golf will never be as easy as bowling. NEVER.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:02:01 PM »

Your points are well made Ric. I agree on most counts.

I do stand on my point that "It's more the change of society as people are raised to be molly coddled as youth they expect to be catered to as adults. It's the age of entitlement."
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Coolerman · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:07:41 PM »

The people in my PBA X league, just could not understand why the pattern that was out that week
did not play they way it should.I would tell them, sometimes the lanes will not always play the exact way you think,that they needed to think outside the norm ,there is a good shot down you just need to
stop trying to play it the way you have been told.When I tell them this, they gripe and say they are not coming back next year because the shot should be as advertised.Heck even a house shot doesn't play the
the same every week!

JustRico · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:07:42 PM »

"It's the age of entitlement"

Spot F**KIN' ON. Could not have been said better.
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JustRico · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:13:33 PM »

Something to remember when referring to alledged PBA patterns and the way they 'should' play.

What bowlers do not understand is that the patterns are created for bowlers with rev rates over 350-400. They are also built for approximately 7-10 games (including practice). With rev rates that high and extreme (the average league bowler is 125-200), lanes change and transition quicker. The league bowlers on are bowling on the first 3-4 games of the pattern and take twice as long to change or transition...making them easier. The way they may see it on tour or what they think they will. Preconcieved perception hurts bowlers more than anything.

Also, bowlers do not consider the way lanes are effected by constant cleaning and re-oiling, as well as the lane surface. Too many variables to say a pattern or condition is going to or should play like or react like something. Bowlers no longer know how to react or adapt.

As was posed earlier...someone is going to bowl well. Well in consideration to others and win. All you have to do is knock down one more pin to win.
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