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SneakyAsianMan

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How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« on: January 24, 2016, 01:00:36 PM »
I'm moving to a new league and they start in two weeks. I'm really good friends with their league president. How could I convince the league to bowl on a sports pattern? I really want to improve my game by bowling on more demanding conditions but I'm afraid other bowlers will not enjoy bowling on them as much as there scores wot be as high. Please help, this could potentially be a great opportunity for me.

 

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2016, 01:21:40 PM »
I wish you luck, but I don't think it will happen.  Most bowlers are in love with their high scoring conditions and don't really care about bowling on challenging conditions to improve their skills.

Of course, you won't be sure until you try, so make up a list of all the good points about bowling on sports patterns and present it to the league during the league meeting (there usually is one prior to the first week of league) and hope there is enough interest to bring it to a vote.  It might help to poll some of the league bowlers or team captains prior to the meeting and see what their feelings and objections would be to see if you can answer their concerns and gain some initial support going into the meeting.  If you can't gain any support before the meeting, then you can make a decision on whether you really want to bring it up for a vote.

Again, good luck.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 01:25:03 PM »
Other than trying to make a sport league, you might want to talk with your bowling center manager and see if he is willing to put out some sport patterns for you and other bowlers to bowl on during open bowling times.  Some managers are willing to do this.  Not the same as bowling in a league against competition, but it is a start.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 01:39:49 PM »
good luck with that one
i would start with maybe a modified pattern as a suggestion
maybe you can try talking them into the state pattern or something a little tougher
but most bowlers want to just dump it out there and watch it walk into the pocket.
And until you change that mindset, none of them will want anything harder, that takes effort and time.
Most won't do that
I'm in a good challenge league and its 8 - 4 man teams for 32 weeks
1 of only a few around the Milwaukee area
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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2016, 02:16:08 PM »
Use a shorter sport pattern. Bowlers will not complain if a hard pattern hooks alot. The majority of the complainers of "sport patterns" do not have a physical game that can generate a lot of recovery on a sport pattern. If they bowl bad and their ball doesn't hook, they're never coming back. If they bowl bad, but their ball still hooks a lot, they're still satisfying their own ego.

If you run a short cheetah-like pattern, the best players will still score a lot but be well above the players who can kill a house shot, but do not have the accuracy to score when they're tough.  It will allow multiple styles to play, and the weaker players will get better bowling on a tougher pattern, but they will not quit because they get to see a big reaction out of their ball.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2016, 10:03:18 PM »
I know all of the bowlers there and it isn't so much about their egos. They just would like to come in, bowl, and enjoy bowling. They understand that it's harder and requires more skill, but they wouldn't have as much fun. They don't get mad about the lower scoring conditions, however they just don't seem to enjoy it. I could tell them that it would help improve us, as some of us will represent our state in a small inter-state tournament. How could I make it 'enjoyable' at the same time as challenging?

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2016, 10:17:50 PM »
Why would an established league want to change to accomodate a brand new bowler
in the league?  Why don't you just blend in?

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2016, 10:56:34 PM »
They're not very 'established' yet. Only have had one season, heading into their second. Also there's a good amount of bowlers there who are actually competitive and are willing to bowl on sports patterns. Just need to convince those who aren't that good to bowl on them.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 10:10:35 AM »
Once people start to understand that competitive bowling is a thing of the past for the sport in general, the better. As has been hashed and re-hashed on this site countless times, this is not the same sport from 40 years ago. In those days scores of bowlers participated in 2 or mores leagues a week as it was about the only thing to do during the winter months. Nowadays, people have too many choices for relaxation fun, to choose from. The game has over 50% less bowlers than in those days. From my experience bowling in both eras, today bowlers want their one or two nights bowling to be competitive, but also something they can enjoy and look forward to. That being said, the house shot is their choice. Most leagues have only a handful of bowlers who could score moderately well on tougher shots and who would like that challenge every week. The rest are comfortable with what they presently have. Despite what some say on here, the majority of those who carry high averages on a THS, know the reason for it. The ones who don't wouldn't get it no matter how you show them. Let's keep the game from deteriorating more than it already has and not try changing those who are happy with what they have. It's unfortunate but the guys who want to be challenged are stuck with that or it's left up to them to find a sport league.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2016, 11:05:10 AM »
Rather than trying to change a league's pattern choice, why not, you try to find a league that is already on sports pattern. Just saying.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2016, 12:17:23 PM »
Sport shot is hard to come by sometimes. Tried to get one started here and had 6 people show up. It's a losing battle in most places.
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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2016, 12:53:16 PM »
Nice reply TDC57. Well stated.
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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2016, 01:37:07 PM »
I don't think many would like to bowl on sport shots.  But at the same time, too many THS are not helping the bowlers either.  The ratios on some of the shots are way too much.  I would guess my home center is in the 12-15:1 ratio.

I do feel something in the 8:1 ratio would help all bowlers be more consistent, but it will be like pulling teeth trying to get there without the help of the center.

A center's THS is usually what the loudest complainer wants and disregards the rest of the bowlers.

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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2016, 02:02:24 PM »
I would like the idea of the rotating house shots of the Red, White and Blue patterns the USBC suggested a few years ago.
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Re: How to convince league to bowl on sports patterns?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2016, 06:01:13 PM »
As soon as 1 bowler starts threatening to leave over a "crappy" pattern
back it goes to house china
the proprietors cant afford to lose anyone for any reason
when 1 starts complaining, you get some more jump on the bandwagon

I had no challenge left in me after many years of house patterns
Went to the sport conditions and it was an eye opener for sure
im tickled to shoot 600 on some of these shots
tournament play has been alot better since the switch as well

several places around here run a sport league during the summer, you may look     for that in your area