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morpheus

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How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« on: February 17, 2016, 06:02:32 PM »
This seems to be stirring some conversation on social media...not saying I agree with all these points but I respect his perspective.

https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/8199
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 11:51:11 AM »
This past summer I bowled in a few local events in my area. I was on the pba wolf pattern for one tourney, and the 45 foot  mexico city pattern just to name a couple of them.  There is no way you can use the same ball(s) on either patterns and be successful on both--I don't see it---so one does need more than just a couple of balls.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 11:59:13 AM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 18, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
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I typically drill way more bowling balls then needed and guess what I've learned? They aren't different. The hype is just that, hype. I can take a few bowling balls I really like and adjust surface as needed and go any where and bowl and feel I can compete. The "pattern" isn't an issue, the lack of bowlers understanding how to see ball reaction and adjust is. Keep playing the line you see on  youtube or read posted online with every ball you have till one maybe works vs adjusting to what you see on the lanes.

Buy the hype and over complicate things. It is fun to watch. You see it every tournament, and every league night.

This is absolutely true.  Most house bowlers who spend 99% of their bowling career bowling on a THS could easily succeed using nothing more than Storm Tropical Breezes, Ebonite Cyclones, Radical Raves, Radical Rave Ons, Columbia Deep Freezes, etc. 

I have way more bowling balls than I really need, but at the end of the day end up with the mid to lower performance balls in my bag.  They are more than sufficient for my THS leagues and tournaments.  My high end stuff just ends up sitting on the ball rack in the basement as they end up being more detrimental than beneficial.
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2016, 12:21:08 PM »
Quote from: bcw1969 on February 18, 2016, 11:51:11 AM
This past summer I bowled in a few local events in my area. I was on the pba wolf pattern for one tourney, and the 45 foot  mexico city pattern just to name a couple of them.  There is no way you can use the same ball(s) on either patterns and be successful on both--I don't see it---so one does need more than just a couple of balls.

Brad

What did you use on these different patterns?  How many different surfaces do you normal take with your arsenal?
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2016, 03:01:02 PM »
I do not remember the specific balls I brought with me to some of the events I did then.  I mentioned the 2 patterns I did because they play like night and day. The more aggressive equipment that would serve one well on the 45 foot 25.5 volume of the Mexico city oil pattern would not be as useful on the 32 foot wolf pattern--and vice versa, what one might use on the wolf, would most likely be very ineffective on something like the mexico city pattern.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2016, 03:15:33 PM »
Bowling doesn't need fixing. It needs an iron lung or resuscitation paddles.
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2016, 04:15:32 PM »
It needs a buttermilk enema!
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2016, 05:28:08 PM »
I find it odd that every time someone at the USBC talks about how great bowling is doing, it's about how many entries they had at junior gold and how high school and college bowling is at an all time high...but youth membership is at an all time low. Not to mention we have gone from 10 million sanctioned members to just over 1 million currently. Help me understand why everyone is standing in line to congratulate Mr. Murphy because he's got it all figured out?
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2016, 06:42:20 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 18, 2016, 11:27:51 AM

Yes I can tell you those things can be just as expensive. You can spend as little or as much as you want for any sport or hobby. We are not talking about walmart gear. $200 plus for a bat, $150 plus for a glove, $100 plus for cleats, a bag, a helmet, batting gloves etc.

that is cheap for baseball or softball.  when I played mens slow pitch I had a team mate with at least 6 bats that when new had MSRPs over $300.   and cleats, you cant get away with just one pair hardly anymore because you could get assigned to a fieldturf facility or even the rare astroturf facility.

nearly any hobby can take as much money from you as you are willing to spend.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2016, 07:49:34 PM »
Quote from: SG17 on February 18, 2016, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 18, 2016, 11:27:51 AM

Yes I can tell you those things can be just as expensive. You can spend as little or as much as you want for any sport or hobby. We are not talking about walmart gear. $200 plus for a bat, $150 plus for a glove, $100 plus for cleats, a bag, a helmet, batting gloves etc.

that is cheap for baseball or softball.  when I played mens slow pitch I had a team mate with at least 6 bats that when new had MSRPs over $300.   and cleats, you cant get away with just one pair hardly anymore because you could get assigned to a fieldturf facility or even the rare astroturf facility.

nearly any hobby can take as much money from you as you are willing to spend.



Exactly. You can spend as little or as much as you wish for any sport. This isn't the issue with general bowling and bowlers.

The bigger issues are length of league seasons, and bowlers not helping themselves with getting more bowlers to come bowl
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2016, 07:53:27 PM »
Morpheus,
You stated we went from 10 million to just over 1 million sanctioned bowlers.  Two years ago the number seemed to be 2.5 million.  Are you saying we lost another 1.5 million in this short period of time?  If so, at that rate two years from now there will perhaps be no sanctioned bowlers at all. WTH!!
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2016, 10:24:08 PM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on February 18, 2016, 07:53:27 PM
Morpheus,
You stated we went from 10 million to just over 1 million sanctioned bowlers.  Two years ago the number seemed to be 2.5 million.  Are you saying we lost another 1.5 million in this short period of time?  If so, at that rate two years from now there will perhaps be no sanctioned bowlers at all. WTH!!
You would think membership numbers would be readily available on the website...but not so much. I can't speak to numbers from earlier years and I encourage everyone to do their own research. As best as I can tell, membership numbers are not available anywhere online and the USBC never speaks about those numbers should tell you something about the lack of transparency.
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2016, 11:20:15 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 17, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
League bowlers in a lot of ways are dicks to the rest of the population when it comes to bowling. They typically do nothing to try and bring more bowlers in, only complain and gripe about others that are bowling for any number of reasons.


I just came here to quote this. I've seen league bowlers regularly abuse staff and other recreational bowlers at my home center, while I've certainly given honest opinions about the condition of the approach to the kid that was supposed to clean it before I league, I've never understood how league bowlers crap on the kids who make close to minimum wage doing jobs that many wouldn't or can't do. Often I bowl on Saturday afternoon or mid day on Sunday with the "normies" and get all kinds of questions about my equipment, rather than shine them on, I try to explain why I have 6 different balls and how they all do different things on different conditions. It's great distraction training for tournaments and it can be fun to share insight with the uninformed. There are at least 3 people who joined our Tuesday league after one Saturday convo about the sport. Too many bowlers try to be smug about their "skills" and protect what they think is special, it's just like fishing, the guy next to you has a full stringer and you ask "what are you using?" he replys, "bait" or "lure." Great jackass, you had a chance to expand and share something you love and you choose to put yourself up on some imagined pedestal instead. Good work.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2016, 08:06:45 AM »
If bowling with 2 hands is such an advantage, why don’t more of the one handed pros change to that style? If you are literally bowling for your paycheck and the 2 handed style is easier, quicker to learn, and has a massive advantage I’d be changing immediately. Makes no sense…
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2016, 11:28:52 AM »
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it's just like fishing, the guy next to you has a full stringer and you ask "what are you using?" he replys, "bait" or "lure." Great jackass, you had a chance to expand and share something you love and you choose to put yourself up on some imagined pedestal instead. Good work.

I will share all the bowling knowledge I have. When it comes to fishing, forget it. Why? Because I don't know who you are....I have seen many good fishing areas go to waste because of guys that refuse to throw any of their catch back.
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2016, 12:42:39 PM »
Quote from: jasont215 on February 19, 2016, 08:06:45 AM
If bowling with 2 hands is such an advantage, why don’t more of the one handed pros change to that style? If you are literally bowling for your paycheck and the 2 handed style is easier, quicker to learn, and has a massive advantage I’d be changing immediately. Makes no sense…

It's like when reactive resin balls came out and what they call the "modern game " (playing the inside of the ball, breakpoint management etc.) started.

A big part of the old guard couldn't make the conversion to the modern game, so then you started hearing "Cheater ball".



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