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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: newbie79 on March 21, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
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I seems to miss pin 10 spare regularly. I could be getting 90% of them one week and the next week drops to 20%. Been practising but still inconsistent.
I am using 14lbs strike ball and same weight for the plastic ball on pin 10 spare. for rest of spare, I use my strike ball.
1. Do I use a lighter (13lb) ball for spare?
2. How can I improve on my pin 10 spare?
thank you.
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You use plastic which is great and said sometimes you are successful at a high rate and sometimes not. If you make time to practice say 3 or 4 games I would recommend taking at least one game and just shoot 10 pins. Be confident too when you have to shoot them in competition and dont let one miss discourage you the next time you have one to shoot as the hardest opponent when shooting spares is yourself.
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Practice and more practice, then when you think you got it
More practice !!
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I hope this helps!
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I would agree. If you're using a plastic ball, you're giving yourself the margin for error you need. It sounds like there must be some technique inconsistencies that are causing the up and down nature. Those things only improve with practice.
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Biggest mistakes I see people make who struggle with 10 pin spare are not squaring up to the target when the play cross lane at the spare, and trying to throw too hard. If you are throwing plastic you probably should still flatten your releases a bit but other wise stay on balance and don't try to jack up your ball speed too much.
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It sounds like there must be some technique inconsistencies that are causing the up and down nature. Those things only improve with practice.
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It sounds like there must be some technique inconsistencies that are causing the up and down nature. Those things only improve with practice.
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Agree. Sometimes I see bowlers not play far enough to the left to play as much cross lane as possible. If you play too straight at it, then the drier area right and at the end of the pattern will even make a plastic ball hook.
Ideally you would want the ball to be moving left-to-right when it gets to the 10-pin. The minute it starts going right-to-left then you have a better chance to miss it.
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Biggest mistakes I see people make who struggle with 10 pin spare are not squaring up to the target when the play cross lane at the spare, and trying to throw too hard. If you are throwing plastic you probably should still flatten your releases a bit but other wise stay on balance and don't try to jack up your ball speed too much.
I agree. When I miss a 10 pin now it's almost always from not staying balanced and/or just throwing it too hard. If I stay in control and balanced, I'm making it 99% of the time
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Join a league with friends. Tell them you'll buy them a beer for every 10 pin you miss...
Expert in no time
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Join a league with friends. Tell them you'll buy them a beer for every 10 pin you miss...
Expert in no time
I would have to call Uber for my friends......
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It sounds like there must be some technique inconsistencies that are causing the up and down nature. Those things only improve with practice.
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Agree. Sometimes I see bowlers not play far enough to the left to play as much cross lane as possible. If you play too straight at it, then the drier area right and at the end of the pattern will even make a plastic ball hook.
Ideally you would want the ball to be moving left-to-right when it gets to the 10-pin. The minute it starts going right-to-left then you have a better chance to miss it.
Agree 110%
Can't tell u how many people I see standing at the furthest left dot, 30 board or playing the 2nd arrow to make a 10 pin (for righties). Crazy!
I mean there are at least 10 more boards of lane and tons more degrees of forgiveness.
To be consistent, I try to stand as far left on the right lane, against the ball return and then stand in the same spot on the left lane. So I play the same angle in every house.
Another hint: sometimes some houses are just bone dry in that area in front of the 10 pin. If you don't have a decent ball speed, even a plastic ball can hook away. You should also learn to flatten the ball out completely without trying to add speed, which can throw off your timing.
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Practice and more practice, then when you think you got it
More practice !!
No, that's the way to get to Carnegie Hall: "Practice, Practice, Practice!" :)
Seriously, often one needs to just practice the 10 pin during practice sessions. Take your first 2 FULL games and do nothing but throw at the 10 pin, Then 2-4 games of normal strike practice, then finish off with at least 2 more FULL games - 20 balls of doing nothing but 10 pins.
But you've got to throw your 10 pin ball the same way every time, using the same starting position and the same target and keep your eyes on your target until the ball rolls over it.
If you practice this type of regimen for a few weeks, if your 10 pin percentage doesn't improve, you may need to take up knitting or crochet.
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I've gone from about a 60% 10-pin shooter to a 95% 10-pin shooter doing the following:
1) Not overthrowing it. Unless your plastic ball is hooking a lot, there's no need to fire it down the lane. Stay balanced and in control at the line and throw a comfortable speed.
2) I determined my standing board and target after much practice and I now stick with it unless the lane tells me otherwise, which almost never happens apart from extreme sport patterns. Get used to being in the same spot on the approach and throwing at the same target and that will always give you a foundation everywhere you go.
3) I always throw at least one practice shot at the 10-pin in warmups. Sometimes you just need to get your eyes re-adjusted to throwing that angle and it's better to whiff your first attempt in practice than in a game.
I'm not saying that these will work for everybody, but they worked for me.
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^ this ^ I use this same method, and it works to a tee.
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Most people I know that are bad spare shooters do not repeat shots well.
On the THS when you are lined up correctly and and throwing a hook ball, the lane pattern covers up your inability to repeat shots and particularly to look at and hit a spot on the lane. Many think they do but the lane condition guides the ball to the proper break point and they hit the pocket.
On spares, particularly corner pin spares, you have find a spot on the lane and hit it. The lane condition does not help much on this. For most single pin spares you have 3 boards at the arrows you can hit and touch the pin, for corner pins that is closer to 2 boards.
You have to develop a game that lets you hit those 2 boards.
Ideally you shoot cross lane at least somewhat shooting at them. As others have said find your approach position, find you target down to a board, and then hit it.
No one will do it every time. Even Walter Ray misses a single pin once in a blue moon, but you should be able to shoot 90%.
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get a coach, develop a system, and practice.
Here's what I did when I returned to the game almost two decades ago. (I've had youth experience, but I still sought the help of coaches available to me)
1. got a coach.
2. bought a spare ball that was the same weight as my other ball.
3. I was introduced to the 4th arrow system.
4. And practice.
I'm 91% 10 pin because I repeat, well not always, but i repeat the same "steps" prior to shooting a ten pin.
1. off the approach, I "putt my ten pin".... visualize the balls path from the foul line through the arrow, and then to the pin.
2. just like most here have mentioned, line myself up/square up to the ten pin. at this point too, I draw a line with my third eye ball from the pin to the arrow, then to my ball, and then back to arrow.
3. I do throw 1 to 1.5 mph faster (17.5-18 mph) with my spare which can hook. I should flatten out my shot, but I'm tired of buying spare balls or fixing the thumb hole - I roll over my thumb hole.
If I followed these steps 100% of the time, I'd be better than 91% 10 pin shooter. I do at times use my strike ball and throw back up following the same method but the speed. The faster I go, the easier I miss......
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Thank you ALL for the valuable comments. I'll stick to my current plastic ball first and get to practise practise... Cheers.
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Great advise here, xrayjay hit the nails on the head here, as I've repeated the same steps that he has, only I did it all myself w/o a coach.
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Some excellant replies already. My 2 cents... stand as far left as possible and definitely stay square to the 10 as you progress through your approach. Be diligent about reaching up at AT your target. Also, consider ditching the plastic. I think it decreases conversion percentages when playing cross lane, at the 10. Good luck.
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Some excellant replies already. My 2 cents... stand as far left as possible and definitely stay square to the 10 as you progress through your approach. Be diligent about reaching up at AT your target. Also, consider ditching the plastic. I think it decreases conversion percentages when playing cross lane, at the 10. Good luck.
Really? Please... ::)
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Some excellant replies already. My 2 cents... stand as far left as possible and definitely stay square to the 10 as you progress through your approach. Be diligent about reaching up at AT your target. Also, consider ditching the plastic. I think it decreases conversion percentages when playing cross lane, at the 10. Good luck.
Really? Please... ::)
better call UBER
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Recently I have been concentrating throwing my plastic spare ball with the same speed and release as my strike ball. Think before I was babying it a bit. Think my % has gone up since then.
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Absolutely, Milo. A hooking ball increases my miss area. I understand folks feeling plastic is required for spare conversions. It is not, but to each their own.
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Absolutely, Milo. A hooking ball increases my miss area. I understand folks feeling plastic is required for spare conversions. It is not, but to each their own.
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I'm sure she likes her sex like her spare ball. Hard, fast.... with plastic. Lol
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Absolutely, Milo. A hooking ball increases my miss area. I understand folks feeling plastic is required for spare conversions. It is not, but to each their own.
No one is saying plastic is required, it just makes things simpler
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If a hook ball works for your spare ball Curly, more power to you, but history has proven that plastic has a very meaningful purpose as far as shooting spares and increases your spare percentage; now guys that can use anything (meaning throws no hard, and flattering out their wrist), then more power to them.
W/o plastic/urethane for spares, scores would suffer tremendously. Plastic has saved me for yrs, and will continue to.
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One of the main reasons for using a plastic ball is to take the lane conditions out of play. This along with going cross alley at a 10 pin gives you the widest margin of error.
Yes if your really good at flattening out your shot, you can use your strike ball. Especially if your just bowling in league, but if you start bowling on different conditions.
Then you better really be good at it, because resin balls (and urethane) can hook when you least expect it. Especially if you slip up on your release a little bit.
Most players that "hook" at the 10 pin, do so because when they tried using a plastic ball. They found out just how wildly inaccurate they were and didn't want put in the practice to improve it.
Throwing harder and Hooking at the 10 might help if the player is always missing right when they throw straight at the 10. But they then tend to over look all the times the ball hooked pass the 10 and had a open.
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Practice. Do it until you get it right, then do that until you can do it in your sleep.