Author Topic: Any Lane Maintenence Guru's on here? (Read 1258 times)

stopncrank · « **on:** January 26, 2010, 10:33:07 PM »

Im starting a tournament next month in a center with Gaurdian overlays. The surface of these overlays makes it extremely difficult to eliminate friction to the outside portion of the lane. It seem that no matter what oil pattern we put out, theres a ton of friction outside and on the back of the pattern.

Here lies the dilemma, what can we do pattern wise to slow the scoring pace down for this tournament? The last thing i want is somebody +250 to win the first tournament? The center manager for previous tournaments used Dead Man's
Curve from Kegel, and he said the majority of bowlers made it look like a house shot, and said they had lots of swing room. So im asking, any of you guys have ideas on what we can do. Oh by the way im pretty sure they have one of the newer Phoenix machines, ill check which one they actually have and post it today!
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stopncrank · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2010, 10:29:42 AM »

Man, WTH was i thinking? How bout a dust mop with rags wrapped around it too...oh wait that was 1980. Thanks anyways

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JohnP · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2010, 10:51:49 AM »

The link below takes you to the BowlTech forum index. Find the appropriate forum and try posting your question there, I think you'll get more responses. You will have to register to post. -- JohnP

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stopncrank · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:25:43 AM »

I think thats kinda what i was asking in a round about way. Are there any patterns maybe from Kegel or some other company specifically for Guardian surfaces. Excuse me for not being more specific... and if im not mistaken you can make your own pattern. I may be wrong on that one but im pretty sure thats what ive heard.
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hhsbowler · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:45:01 AM »

I am not sure about patterns for specific lane surfaces, but is there anyway you can tweak the pattern in the machine. It sounds like no matter what pattern you are going to put out you will get extra bounce from the outside. Can you add more units to the outside to compensate for this on your machine? Or Maybe try to put out an even flatter pattern because the lane surface will them seem that much easier?

stopncrank · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2010, 12:12:31 PM »

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I am not sure about patterns for specific lane surfaces, but is there anyway you can tweak the pattern in the machine. It sounds like no matter what pattern you are going to put out you will get extra bounce from the outside. Can you add more units to the outside to compensate for this on your machine? Or Maybe try to put out an even flatter pattern because the lane surface will them seem that much easier?

Well ive bowled there for years, and yes we have tried adding more units to the outside but it just doesnt seem to affect it because you still have tons of friction on the backend. Ive literally seen them run almost 50 ft flat and guys still end up crazy plus totals. I think the surface just soaks up the oil. On their men's league on thursdays he literally floods the lanes and by the 2nd game they are wide open.

The problem with going flatter is then you just force them to play the hook from even deeper, which doesnt slow scoring down much either. Pretty much all they have to do when its flatter is not miss to the inside, basically just get it out lol. Only thing ive come up with is to run them short, with the thinking it will make them play more direct with the thought there wouldnt be any hold in the middle.
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hhsbowler · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2010, 01:19:38 PM »

I see. What kind of machine are you running? I know kegel designs patterns for tournaments and such, you should give them a call or send them an email and see what they think.

Is the overlay just in the heads or does it go all the way down?

Just keep pumping the oil up on the outsides. Most machines unless it is new requires the lane man actually "turn up" the oil pump to get a true pba or sport pattern.

rocnbol · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2010, 06:54:21 PM »

Im no lane guru but I am in the exact same boat. Running monthly sixer trying to keep shot competitive. Our lanes are synthetics but I cannot tell you the brand name. Theyve been in since the late 80's. This was the first house to get them in our area. 2nd arrow is so worn you can still see the wear after the machine has run.

Anyways weve been playing with shots and found something interesting. Their machine is an early Phoenix machine that, as it turns out, cannot run kegel patterns. Mike Purdy at Kegel sent me a link to some KOSI patterns but this machine cant run those without a 500.00 upgrade and an oil bar that wipes the roller for more even distribution

Reading the user manual, the 7 preloaded programs are very low loads compared to todays patterns, with not much length. However another common theme is that the reverse run, on any of them, starts around 15-18ft and stops at 5-7ft for buff. Dead Mans Curve starts the reverse oil at 32ft

Id recommend confirming the machine, get the user manual from Kegel and compare the preloaded to the Kegel patterns. You may find, like I did, that the house mechanic cannot put it down. Either because of machine or user definiencies.
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2010, 09:38:10 PM »

despite the guardian overlay the lane surface underneath it will play a huge roll in the balls reaction. the pba shark pattern, which is 44' in length and very slick outside the 8th board, may be just what you need.

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2010, 12:04:59 AM »

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Im starting a tournament next month in a center with Gaurdian overlays. The surface of these overlays makes it extremely difficult to eliminate friction to the outside portion of the lane. It seem that no matter what oil pattern we put out, theres a ton of friction outside and on the back of the pattern.

Here lies the dilemma, what can we do pattern wise to slow the scoring pace down for this tournament?

....shorten the pattern. If there is that much friction in the back a shorter pattern will make it more difficult to stay right of the headpin. And with the outside having so much friction, will make it difficult to go sideways without checking up really early. This will also reduce the amount of surface being used, which could make the backend tighten up later in the set.
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2010, 06:09:25 AM »

If they are not getting the amount of oil they need outside from the forward pass, I would suggest adding 2-2''s on the reverse. If the machine is a newer Phoenix and has a transfer brush, this will carry the excess oil over to the next lane. Also, buffer brush pressure and wear makes a HUGE difference on how much oil gets to the outsides and down the lane. They may need to replace the buffer or simply adjust the brush down so it contacts the lane better. Guardian is one of the softest surfaces you can bowl on, therefore, it provides the most friction. Guardian is a band-aid, which means they really need new lanes, but could not afford it.
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