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How To Play This Pattern
« on: August 09, 2012, 07:59:34 PM »
Hi all,

I am playing a tournament later this month, and the organisers have put the pattern up on the website. I have never really paid any attention to the patterns beforehand, as I tend to make my playing decisions based on how the lanes play when I throw on them, but I thought it might be interesting to share the pattern and see what everyone else thought?

The pattern can be viewed here -

http://talktenpin.net/images/stories/lane_patterns/london_international_2012.pdf


 

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 12:07:34 AM »
From looking at the forward oil, your breakpoint is going to be around 9-10. Then your hand and tilt are going to determine where you stand and mark to play.
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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 08:05:14 AM »
If you use the -31 rule, your breakpoint is going to be around 14.  What I would do, is depending on how much shadow you get before the arrows go up, is take something that is really dull like 500 abralon and play up the second arrow to help create some miss area.  Once the arrows go up, then go to something else and play around 15 at the arrows and keep your line fairly tight (dont get the ball right of 12) and then migrate inside from there.  With the pattern 45 feet, chances are anything the gets right of 8 wont make it back to the headpin.  Best case is that you hit light and leave a 2-4-5 or 3-5-6 depending on if you are right or left handed.  Longer patterns typically play inside and shorter patterns typically play outside.
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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2012, 09:19:16 AM »
-31 rule does not apply to breakpoint - it's exit point from the oil pattern.  So at 45 ft down the lane, you want to be around the 14th board. From the looks of the pattern sheet, it's a fairly high volume oil pattern.

Theoretically speaking, with all that said, I do agree with TWOHAND834 that you do not want to leak the ball outside.  This pattern does not look as punishing as Shark, but those with pedestrian rev rates will not see any bounce and anything outside of 8 looks out of bounds...theoretically speaking.

Good luck!

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2012, 10:19:06 AM »
Sounds like I might need it, as I tend to throw my best playing right off the right hand corner, as its where I am the most comfortable as I dont have a lot of hand. Its based on 3 sets of 3 games, moving lanes after every 3 games with no break or practice after moving. Should be a challenge either way, which is the aim at the end of the day

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2012, 12:57:06 PM »
Very good advice here, the lane surface will dictate just how much angle you will need through the front part of the lane (as well as your style), but I think the earlier suggestion of a target of 9ish downlane maybe a bit too far outside.  The OB right of 9 is going to be pretty severe, so flirting with that could make for a long day.  I would pretend mentally like the 2nd arrow is the gutter once you start trying to throw strikes.  TWOHAND's suggestion of something scuffed up 10 in practice is going to make life much easier for you if you use the angle to your advantage.

Good luck!

If you use the -31 rule, your breakpoint is going to be around 14.  What I would do, is depending on how much shadow you get before the arrows go up, is take something that is really dull like 500 abralon and play up the second arrow to help create some miss area.  Once the arrows go up, then go to something else and play around 15 at the arrows and keep your line fairly tight (dont get the ball right of 12) and then migrate inside from there.  With the pattern 45 feet, chances are anything the gets right of 8 wont make it back to the headpin.  Best case is that you hit light and leave a 2-4-5 or 3-5-6 depending on if you are right or left handed.  Longer patterns typically play inside and shorter patterns typically play outside.

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 01:10:57 PM »
Another thing to consider is volume.  It is less that 25ml.  The 39ft USBC Open was just over 25ml for 39 feet.  So this is 6 feet longer with slightly less volume.  It could lead to quicker transitions. 

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 07:13:57 PM »
as other's have said,  using a low grit ball ( 500 ) and playing around the 12 board is very optimal...   

especially if you get 3 games per pair you should be able to create a nice groove if everyone else is playing the same line.. 

and once the lanes open up you could use a pin up ball once a ball starts to check up early.. 
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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 07:39:45 PM »
I'm a typical house hack, but I'm friends with some truly amazing bowlers. I went up to watch one of them bowl a PBA regional, and he told he his philosophy on ball selection. He said he tends to use shinier equipment, sometimes even pearlized stuff, on the fresh with longer patterns, and he tends to use his more aggressive, surfacy stuff on the shorter patterns. It may sound strange, but it actually makes a lot of sense. If you're bowling on a 45-foot pattern, your ball is going to have very little lane left to make a move once it exits the pattern. As such, using something that holds onto its energy and can actually grab off the back is worthwhile. If you use a 500-grit duster, sure, the ball is going to dig in and read early, but it may have very little energy left when it comes off the pattern. Now, granted, he's a high speed, very high rev player who can do things with a ball most of us will never come close to. Still, the theory makes sense. I just mention this because you may want to keep that concept in your head when looking at ball selection. Going with something gritty might not be bad during practice in order to create some room to the outside, but once the lights go on, you may be better suited with something a little less aggressive than you would otherwise think.

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 07:52:21 PM »
I get that everyone wants to use the rule of 31, however, in this case, i just didnt think there was a lot of oil for the length. I was using a method i learned at a Mo Pinel coaching seminar. So when you are rolling the pattern your breakpoint should be about 10. Bowlers should be able to go up the boards and chase in as the condition breaks down. But i do see what everyone is saying.


Very good advice here, the lane surface will dictate just how much angle you will need through the front part of the lane (as well as your style), but I think the earlier suggestion of a target of 9ish downlane maybe a bit too far outside.  The OB right of 9 is going to be pretty severe, so flirting with that could make for a long day.  I would pretend mentally like the 2nd arrow is the gutter once you start trying to throw strikes.  TWOHAND's suggestion of something scuffed up 10 in practice is going to make life much easier for you if you use the angle to your advantage.

Good luck!

If you use the -31 rule, your breakpoint is going to be around 14.  What I would do, is depending on how much shadow you get before the arrows go up, is take something that is really dull like 500 abralon and play up the second arrow to help create some miss area.  Once the arrows go up, then go to something else and play around 15 at the arrows and keep your line fairly tight (dont get the ball right of 12) and then migrate inside from there.  With the pattern 45 feet, chances are anything the gets right of 8 wont make it back to the headpin.  Best case is that you hit light and leave a 2-4-5 or 3-5-6 depending on if you are right or left handed.  Longer patterns typically play inside and shorter patterns typically play outside.
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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 08:53:47 PM »
Quoted from Mo Pinel himself from bowlchat.net. This how i got my response to the poster.

 http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6322

"Here's the real answer about reverse oil. Reverse oil controls the amount of oil in the front part of the lane. Forward oil controls the shape of the pattern at the end of the pattern. The more reverse oil in relation to the forward oil, the longer the pattern last and the smaller the transitions. Read the pdf and find the corner of the red bar. Subtract 3 and that's where your breakpoint should be to start. Take the length of the pattern minus 31 rule and shove it. Not accurate. Do your homework!"
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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 09:58:24 PM »
Quoted from Mo Pinel himself from bowlchat.net. This how i got my response to the poster.

 http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6322

"Here's the real answer about reverse oil. Reverse oil controls the amount of oil in the front part of the lane. Forward oil controls the shape of the pattern at the end of the pattern. The more reverse oil in relation to the forward oil, the longer the pattern last and the smaller the transitions. Read the pdf and find the corner of the red bar. Subtract 3 and that's where your breakpoint should be to start. Take the length of the pattern minus 31 rule and shove it. Not accurate. Do your homework!"


I think I would rather listen to guys who make the oil and the lane machines (KEGEL) rather than the guy who makes bowling balls. I will disagree and walk away smiling as i stick with Joe Slowinski as I have found that it very easy to score well on fresh patterns using the rule of 31.

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 10:18:34 PM »
Difference in terminology....breakpoint and exit point are 2 different things.

However if you want to use Mo as the gospel...be careful and find out how many things he's changed his mind in the past decade.  He was quoted a few years ago saying that bowlers didn't need symmetrical balls anymore...that they were useless.  Look at Morich's line now....I know the guy is a genius...but too many of his ideas get thrown by the wayside for me to jump at what he says.  I'll also stick with the guys that design the patterns and test them on a regular basis.

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Re: How To Play This Pattern
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2012, 10:35:02 PM »
I understand, i was just letting you know how i got my answer to the post. I use this method successfully and i coach it and other methods that he has developed with success. What im basically saying is it's just a preference. Whether rule of 31 or Mo's method of -3, it's all in what the bowler feels confident in. Just like they're 2 popular methods to drill equipment, dual angle and storms method. All depends on preference and confidence in the method.
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