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How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« on: January 04, 2007, 01:08:00 AM »
I am looking for some assistance. I have a friend who is learning how to bowl and he is struggling with dropping the ball behind the foul line at his release. Is there anything I can suggest to get him to stop doing this?


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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 09:14:40 AM »
With "behind", do you mean he lofts the ball (*bang*) out onto the lane, or does he drop it prematurely, in front of the line?
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 09:19:52 AM »
I could use this advice as well.  From my video that is one of my big problems, I seem to turn my hand prematurely and drop the ball because of that.  I have to work on keeping my hand behind the ball.  

One tip I got was to lay a towel down just past the foul line and try to make sure the ball hits beyond it every time.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 10:09:46 AM »
When you drop the ball too early, before the front line, it is from my experience mostly a thumb hole problem. You either have too much forward pitch, so that the ball slips off of you thumb, or the hole is simply too big - appears often in wintertime with dry air.

In the first case, you might consider a new thumb hole or a check at a (neutral) pro shop; a thumb slug with a new pitch can be a chaep option, too.

In the second case, try to use tape to make the hole snug for your thumb.

The towel trick is only good if you want to do some loft training - but it is worth a try to check if it is a technical hole problem, or just you letting off of the ball too early? Anyway, the thumb should be out of the hole when the balls comes forward to the ankle, so that you can project it out in an even plane with the lane surface. Letting it go/fall to early robs you revs, power and accuracy.

If in doubt, let a trainer or experienced player have your friend's game and drilling checked.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 10:36:37 AM »
I had a problem with dropping the ball.  My first coach had me go from reverse to forward (toward the palm) with the thumb pitches.  I went from 1/8 reverse to now at 3/8 forward.  

Another technique for early turn and release, this from my current coach, tell yourself wait, wait, wait and when the ball passes the ankle then turn.  It has taken me many months to get this one down, but I finally have the ball out in front of my ankle before turning and releasing the ball.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 10:57:46 AM »
Heck, I'm turning the ball practically before it GETS to my ankle.  Of course I'm too upright too, but I'll try to work on one thing at a time.  

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 11:34:48 AM »
One thing that I was shown was to start with your heels at the foul line (back to the pins), and take 1 and 1/2 steps. Turn around and face the lane. Start your arm swing and when it reaches the top start your slide. This focus' on the timing of delivery and if you combine it with the towel drill it really helps on getting the ball out on the lane. Good luck!

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 11:42:04 AM »
Fit could be a problem but timing is many times the REAL problem with dumping the ball at the line.  I'd look at both areas and the towel drill is a good one.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2007, 11:55:21 AM »
Thanks...MC...I used to do that drill and had stopped using it!

When used...it was a big aid to me!

Also...regarding Dizzy comments...re forward and reverse pitch.

Most people say too much REverse in the thumb...away from the center of the grip leads to dropping.  I believe your term forward is bass...ackwards.

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2007, 11:59:36 AM »
For me, number one is fit.  Dizzy says forward pitch makes the ball slip, but in my experience, forward pitch points your thumb towards your palm, so forward pitch would actually help in holding onto the ball.

I had the problem with letting go too early and here's how I fixed it.  A big thing is making sure you stay low throughout your approach and end it with a good knee bend.  I see a lot of people start low, but at the end their slide leg is as straight as an arrow.  The purpose of starting off low is so that you can end low.  Starting low reduces the distance between the floor and the lowest point of your swing, thus giving you a better read of where you should be letting go of the ball.

Another big (and I mean huge!) thing that helped me out was finding and DEVELOPING my flat spot.  What I mean by flat spot is the low point in your arm swing where you are actually swinging the ball parallel to the ground.  This will cause for a much smoother landing and reduces loft or bouncing.  If you noticed, I said "DEVELOPING" meaning this is not something that you can just learn in a day.  Our bodies arent built right off the bat to swing a 15lb object parallel to the ground fast enough to project the ball out 10mph onto the lane.  So this is something that comes with practice and time, as with any other aspect of this wonderful sport.

Read the Ron Clifton articles here for more detailed advice on how to improve your swing: http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

Hope this helps.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2007, 01:54:02 PM »
There are many things that can cause you to drop the ball early.
First and foremost is improper fit: thumb too loose, excess reverse pitch, excess left pitch (RH), span too short/long some of these will have other indicators in the form of soreness/redness of the thumb.
Incorrect timing and/or excess bend at the waist will cause you to have a too steep downswing, often caused by getting the swing started too early.


With a straight wrist you should be able to hold onto the ball with virtually no grip pressure actually it is more like the ball is holding on to you. This may seem too tight but there is a point where inertia/momentum takes over and the thumb will clear quickly and cleanly.
What I was told to do was add tape to the ball and throw it at about half speed and keep adding until I felt the ball start to hang. At this reduced speed the momentum of the ball is reduced causing the slight hang but at normal speeds the ball will not hang assuming you don't change grip pressure when increasing speed. Until you have this correct level of tightness you can't properly determine the accuracy of the fit, due to the fact that excess grip pressure can give false indicators.

When I feel that I may be getting to much bend at the waist I will throw some shots in practice and only concentrate on keeping my upper body in a more upright position with my chin over the tip of my slide foot and the center of my chest over my slide ankle when in the finish position. This position should give you the best compromise of power, balance, and leverage which will give you a good swing plane.

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 01:58:40 PM »
I've added a piece...now another...another...one more...

Oh oh.........it's really tight!  Unintentional...MACHUGA!

Thanks!

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 02:02:48 PM »
quote:
I've added a piece...now another...another...one more...

Oh oh.........it's really tight!  Unintentional...MACHUGA!

Thanks!

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That is why I made sure to mention HALF/REDUCED SPEED.
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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 02:20:32 PM »
You know I'm teasin and havin a little fun!

Thanks...RE-EV as always.

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Re: How to stop dropping ball at release.....
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 07:38:02 PM »
Everyone, Thanks for the input. I don't know how to explain this to my friend. I never had this issue. This is his first finger tip. He had the ball fitted by same guy I go to. I am going to take some this info and see if something will work. I going to suggest some tape in the thumb hole first.

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