Author Topic: Bowling video, need help/advice (Read 2067 times)

Photoc · « **on:** May 08, 2004, 06:42:27 AM »

Hey guys, I haven't posted here in quite sometime. But I looked around at some of the videos and want to see if someone can watch the clip I have and find anything wrong with my form. VERY slight.

A few things I've noticed after reading posts and watching it over 100 times is
A: my 2nd step is very short, while my third is twice as long.
B: ball is in front of chest, therefore no push out, just dropping.
C: Refer to B, causing ball to get away from body and not as close to my ankle as it should be and thus not projecting the ball down the lane, just releasing it above the lane.

The ball is a Monster Bruiser.
Clip shot at the Orleans in Las Veags on fresh condition at 5am.

Thanks in advance!
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMzkwMzAwNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

edit: moved clip to the above URL to make it easier to download.

Edited on 5/11/2004 9:49 PM

th3jumpoff · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2004, 10:24:24 PM »

kinda hard to see waht u are doing wrong when the video dosent work ;x

Photoc · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2004, 10:30:10 PM »

I just tried it and link works fine. Just need media player 9 or equivalent to play.

agroves · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2004, 10:43:06 PM »

I was able to download up to the point of release. You don't look too bad. You throw the ball like dpisto. I don't know if he will see this or not. It almost looks like you carry the ball in your backswing for a step and a half. I have seen many people do this recently, so you are not alone. If I had to guess at a possible problem, it appears that your swing isn't very free. It is supposed to be a pendilum, thats what they say.

However, on your normal HS you can get away without a free arm swing. On more difficult patterns it is better because it is easier to do over and over.

Good luck,

Andrew
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Photoc · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2004, 11:06:25 PM »

Well the changes that I've done so far is opening up the shoulders a bit so I can get the ball further out and down the lane to my break point. Also I use to start with the ball and waist high and try to push out, now its up just under my chin but away from my body a bit. It feels like I'm pushing it out to full extent, but hard to tell in the video.

Photoc · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2004, 11:07:49 PM »

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Edited on 5/11/2004 9:32 PM

omegabowler · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2004, 12:39:30 AM »

just a quick ruin down of what I see. I not a coach but have been coached and it all in the basics.

Your foot spacing is off.

You are gripping the ball in your stance and continue to do so throughout the swing.

total muscled swing.

you have a fake follow though. the ball is long gone and then you rip up on empty air. you look like you are trying to force and open hand delivery.

quick fixes. pace off you steps. from the foul line back at a brisk 4 and a half steps to get a better foot spacing.

hold the ball close to you body and use your left hand to hold it and get it to the push away.

last but not least get the ball fitted better so you don't need to grip and loft it out. you have no forward projection and slow speed.

I bet the lanes are always to dry for you?

a little better timming and free swing will give you speed and revs to make the ball move. you don't need to try to hook it so much.

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Photoc · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2004, 12:48:06 AM »

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just a quick ruin down of what I see. I not a coach but have been coached and it all in the basics.

Your foot spacing is off.

Had no idea about that, will definately try it.

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You are gripping the ball in your stance and continue to do so throughout the swing.

total muscled swing.

Do you mean gripping as in pinching with the thumb? That part I know I don't do but not sure what gripping is. The swing feels relaxed once I get the ball into the downswing. But feels like I have to push through it a bit at the line to get it out to where I want it.

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you have a fake follow though. the ball is long gone and then you rip up on empty air. you look like you are trying to force and open hand delivery.

I'll have to look at this more closely as well.

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quick fixes. pace off you steps. from the foul line back at a brisk 4 and a half steps to get a better foot spacing.

hold the ball close to you body and use your left hand to hold it and get it to the push away.

last but not least get the ball fitted better so you don't need to grip and loft it out. you have no forward projection and slow speed.

I bet the lanes are always to dry for you?

a little better timming and free swing will give you speed and revs to make the ball move. you don't need to try to hook it so much.

The lanes not always seem dry to me. Most of the time yes. Like on this same night I was able to start at 4th arrow and send it out to about 10 and rolled very nicely. I am able to play quite a few different lines. The reaper 2 that I throw can set it down around 8 and just play a slight angle to the pocket.

Edited on 5/9/2004 0:41 AM

Photoc · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2004, 06:46:05 AM »

Not sure if this makes any sense, but I think I kind of understand the gripping part. I picked up a ball tonight and when I feel the grip it feels like my fingers are holding the ball instead of the ball sitting on my hand.

It's the best way I can describe it. I stretched my fingers accross the holes and my knuckle actually goes past the inner edge, so I may have to have my span remeasured. Guess my hands have grown a bit.

Photoc · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2004, 06:01:23 PM »

Ok, I just came back from a 4 game tournament and tried holding the ball with my left hand and then pushing a little up and out and my arm swing acted as if I didn't even have to do anything to get the ball out there. Also started bending a tad bit more. I know I shoulnd't have done this in a tourney but I was able to muster up:
177, 241, 249, 277 for 944 total. I didn't cash, lets just say that. Needed about 100 more pins and would have been fine.

Photoc · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:02:09 PM »

ttt for a bit more advice. Please read edited first post and second to last post.

janderson · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:29:47 PM »

Two words: straight arm

Seriously, it doesn't look like your arm is straight at any point through the entire shot. That's usually a good indication of a "muscled shot" and part of why your ball is so far from the floor at release. Free up that swing! You look like you're plenty strong (physically), so even with a free, relaxed armswing, don't be afraid that you're not going to get anything on it. You will.

Neither your timing or knee bend look way off to me, though as you relax your swing, your timing will need to adjust to accomodate. The knee bend taken by itself is pretty good - you're balanced. I think it might just look "off" because you're fighting to stay balanced from the muscled shot - shown by your follow through: arm in front of face.

Just my two pennies. Take them for what they're worth. Good luck

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Photoc · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:37:43 PM »

J, much appreciated the advice. I do have a slight bend in my arm at the elbow, but thats been there since I was born. I remember a doctor repeatedly telling me to straighten out my arm at an exam one time, I said I AM MOTHERF'Er! and then he tried and realized there is that bend, LOL.

Any tips on how to just learn to relax the arm swing more though? Mental or physical

janderson · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:47:52 PM »

Ouch. Sorry about the arm. I have a friend (PBA) who just had surgery in an attempt to correct that same type of problem. He's struggling quite a bit to get back on track...

Well, if it is any consolation, I'm working with a coach and the Jowdy book (Bowling Execution) trying to learn the art of a free armswing myself. Much seems to depend on the pushoff - holding the ball to the side of your body, pushing the ball forward and letting it fall back naturally. Then, try not to control the top of the backswing - let the ball reach the top and start back down on its own. In the past I thought of a "pendulum" but now I envision "wrecking ball" (seems more appropriate

) My coach says, let the arm swing itself, just walk next to the ball and keep it company.

Hope it helps.
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Photoc · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2004, 09:57:21 PM »

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My coach says, let the arm swing itself, just walk next to the ball and keep it company.

I like that idea. When the ball gets to the top of my swing or near it, I can feel myself basically pushing through the swing to get the length and power that I want. This video is a good example because its one I did basically everything wrong in and now I can see where my problems are. I am going to be heading out after work tonight for some more practice without scorers hopefully. I'll try to get a vid when I figure out which part I'm working on.
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