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NtheDitch

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How would you react?
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:13:58 AM »
After 10 minutes of practice, your told to move lanes and in the moving process you discover that one of your balls is damaged very badly. A gouge in the track aprox. 1 inch long 3/16 deep and 1/4 wide. I called the proshop today to ask what they thought, the response i got was, "Oh we can just drill and plug. Wont change the ball much its only an inch from the fingers." I've told them twice now that i track right by the fingers.
 So how would you react?
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 05:33:33 PM »
Is the center covering the cost?  The plug will be fine.
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NtheDitch

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 05:42:14 PM »
They are going to cover the cost but how would this much plug in my track not hurt it?
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 05:52:12 PM »
As long as the shop smoothes out the plug even with the rest of the ball, you will be fine.
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 05:56:45 PM »
Ditch....that plugwork in your track will hamper the performance somewhat. I`m willing to bet you wont have the same ball reaction as originally. There is a AMF house here that gouges bowling balls all the time. The house says....oh we`ll take care of it....

Point is...If it affects your track, then be ready to say bye bye to your ball reaction.
It will never be the same...
It happened to my Intense Inferno, they swore (House or Proshop) that it wont affect the performance of the ball. But i knew the difference once I bowled with it.

The center needs to compensate you for this mishap

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JessN16

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 08:28:29 PM »
I don't see how people say plug work in the track won't affect ball performance. The ball is reactive resin (I'm assuming you're using a reactive piece) and the plug is not. Given how important coverstock is to ball performance, you can't tell me a big glob of non-reactive material in the track area is going to go unnoticed.

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JessN16

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 08:49:09 PM »
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The ball track on the lane touches the plugged part of the ball for fractions of a second.  There is not going to be any loss of ball reaction.  By the way most ball plug today is RESIN based.

Edited on 7/17/2008 8:38 PM


If it's resin-based plug being used, fine. I know the stuff I use in my home shop is not reactive.

If it's not reactive, what's relevant is total surface area that will touch the lane -- i.e, you would need to measure the track diameter and then calculate the percentage of length along that line that rolled across the plug material. If the plug is longitudal to the track line, it could actually spend a statistically significant portion of its track in plug material.

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 08:54:14 PM »
I doubt you'd be able to tell any difference in reaction if the shop does a good job. Assuming your ball flares, it may hit that spot for a fraction of a second once (maybe twice). I would not worry a bit.


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JessN16

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 09:00:47 PM »
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your talking fractions of a second in a part of the lane where there is little friction to begin with.

There is no effect on ball reaction from a plugged area.  Your concerns are if the plug contour is the same as the ball (flat spots).   Even with a flat spot then you probably wouldn't notice reaction changes.


Okay, do this experiment. Find some non-reactive plug, drill out your track circumference, fill it in with the plug and then go test it. Tell me how you like it.

Let's say you have a 12-inch track diameter and you have a ball with a 2-inch long repair plug in it aligned with the track -- which I have seen a bowling center do to a customer before in the name of repair. Two inches is one-sixth of the track diameter. Even if the ball doesn't roll over that spot on every single flare, it's going to hit it a bunch of times and when it does, you're going to tell me that there's no difference between 5/6 and 6/6?

Best just to agree to disagree on this one, because you won't convince me it doesn't matter. Everything matters, including the psychological effect on the bowler of looking down at the ball and wondering if he's getting a consistent look.

Jess

On edit: I figured off diameter and not circumference. Stupid math on my part, but that still works out to about 1/12, which would bother me. The original poster's example is not as drastic as the situation I'm talking about, however.

Edited on 7/18/2008 0:56 AM
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 09:08:59 PM »
I have a point to make.  You say the gouge is by your fingers.  You track near the fingers.  Can anyone see the point I am going to make?  The plug will touch the lane in the first 10 feet.  IF you notice a huge difference in reaction in the first 10 feet, BIG ISSUE.  You could put sandpaper in the gouge, if it is in the first 1 or 2 rings of track flare, its irrelevant.
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 09:10:18 PM »
The ball is a Raid, and I know for a fact that where the gouge is I hit it a minimum of four times. I keep the ball at 4000 with no polish and the oil rings are very visible from the massive volume we had out for the shark. It had become my go to ball for the THS shooting 840+ 3 weeks in a row for my four game sunday doubles league.
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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2008, 09:18:35 PM »
It would have such a minimal effect you won't notice the difference...

The plug is about 1/20th (estimate) of your track/flare ring....so even if you flare over it 4 times....you can see how insignificant amount of time the plug would be in contact with the lane surface.....

Also, most if not all ball plugs use resin and hardener to make the plug so there is still some type of resin in the plug...but again it is such an insignificant amount of time the plug will be in contact with the lane.

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 09:21:02 PM »
Jess,

I've plugged and repaired hundreds of balls, some of them my own. The small area isn't large enough to worry about loss of reaction. Even the most talented and precise bowler is precise enough to release his ball the exact same every time.
 
Assuming the ball plug doesn't match the rest of the cover, we're more likely see a difference in reaction due to the "human element" than one tiny spot touching the lane once (assuming flare) on a part of the lane where there's typically no friction.

In theory your argument makes sense because of the potential difference in plug material used, but practically you'd have to be a throwbot on a C.A.T.S. to be able to tell the difference, if there is any.  Just too many variables that the bowler can change in my opinion.




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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 11:40:19 PM »
Don't worry about the plug. If the repair is 1/2" wide, then you're looking at 1/54 of the ball being plug since the circumference is 27".

Any one who thinks the ball reaction changed after having a ball repaired is probably unhappy with the final surface prep, not the repair itself.

Does the shop have a Haus resurfacer of similar? Using a machine will ensure the ball is round. Ask them to resurface the ball completely and take it back to 4000 grit and you should be fine.

Most importantly, don't let the ball be psychologically damaged. A lot of people assume the ball will never be the same. I've had bowlers shoot 300 with a damaged ball and swear it was better before the repair. Go figure.

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Re: How would you react?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2008, 10:52:20 AM »
I've thrown 300 games with plug in my track larger than the area being discussed.  And that on a non-flaring ball.

I'm glad proprietors don't freak out and charge you for small nicks you put in their pins.


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