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lhooker

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How would you respond?
« on: May 10, 2012, 07:47:18 AM »
Took some of  my equipment to a local pro shop to have a few balls cleaned and polished/dulled when the operator began to berate my equipment and driller. Here are  just a few tidbits from the conversation.

About my Crossroad "I hope you didn't pay much for that, it's drilled wrong. The MB is on the track".

I have been practicing a 2handed release for the last 2-3 weeks so I let him know that the track will differ greatly from when the ball was originally drilled right now.

"I have never seen a Crossroad drilled this weak, don't know why your driller did that"

I responded in kind letting the operator know that I worked with my driller to make my Crossroad fit in between my Roto Outlaw and Roto Bandit, which it does. Also, the pin was just kicked out a bit, a very normal standard drill.

Have you all ever encountered a pro shop owner like this one? When I told him who my driller was, he recognized the driller as a mutual associate and immediately stopped trying to tear down my equipment. I wrote it off as a ploy to get me to panic and say by golly can you drill me a new piece correctly but still felt the overall experience was awful. I only stop in to get things restored back to OOB surfaces on occasion but don't even want to do that going forward. Really rubbed me the wrong way.

How would you or how have you responded to operators like this guy?

 

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2012, 08:04:57 AM »
Very unprofessional behavior. You would never see a doctor or lawyer run down his competition like that. It is pro shop operators like that guy that made me learn how to drill my own equipment.
It's very simple, if you are confident in your skills you tout them, if not, run down your competition. He could have accomplished the same thing by asking you questions about why it was drilled like that, as opposed to saying "It's drilled wrong". How would he know without watching you bowl and knowing what you were trying to accomplish with the ball?
Also, where's the MB on a Crossroad? It's symmetric! What an idiot!

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 08:11:02 AM »
Nope, never encountered one who said such things, but I know they exist.
Until he knows how you throw the ball, and on what conditions you bowl, he shouldn't say a thing to criticize or even to suggest changes. Heck, he shouldn't suggest changes until you ask him for input. He might ask if you'd like an opinion or say something like, "How does this react for you?" or "Where do you use this?"

True professionals don't put down other professionals, in any profession. It's cheap and unprofessional.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2012, 08:14:16 AM »
Very unprofessional behavior. You would never see a doctor or lawyer run down his competition like that. It is pro shop operators like that guy that made me learn how to drill my own equipment.

Ditto. Very unprofessional, and it IMHO shows what such a pro shop operator expects from his customers, and shows a certain (conscious or not) "know it better" attitude, without even asking for circumstances or intentions. Duh!

I'd probably say nothing (why arguing with someone who has his/her opinion, anyway), but avoid that shop in the future, if possible. That MB/track comment de-classifies the shop, IMHO.  :o
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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 08:46:27 AM »
Unfortunately yes.  I recall quite well the time I took my balls to the only local pro shop that had interchangeable thumb inserts.  The individual IMMEDIATELY told me my pitches were all wrong.  He had never seen me throw a ball, nor had I even put my fingers in the ball.   

lhooker

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2012, 09:02:29 AM »
I kept a normal tone throughout the conversation, felt there wasn't a need to get overly upset and create a scene. I just did what I could to get him focused on performing the services I came for. Have had good-great experiences with different shops in general, never had a guy this antagonistic. I will more than likely avoid his shop going forward.

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 09:11:46 AM »
I probably would have grabbed everything and walked out. I have heard guys ask why a ball was drilled that way. Just to get some inside knowledge. But to cut someone else down over a lay out no. Now I have heard guys ripping other shops for stuff being drilled with wrong pitches, span, or weight out of specs.

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 12:39:28 PM »
In this industry like many people are know it all D&%KS. You will see and hear people bad mouth other shops, drillers, manufactures, bowlers ect ect ect ect.

If you come across it, I'd go else where if possible. In sales the number one thing to remember is not to talk down other anythings, but promote and compare whatever it is you have that your trying to do.

Promote your equipment, your services, ect. Because it is easy to talk down something but then when you one day start selling that product it will be a lot harder to explain why it is no longer a bad thing like you had said before.

Back to the original point, many of the people you come across are " know it all D&%KS."
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 02:02:14 PM »
Yeah, I know an operator like that and I've been using him for the past two years. In this case, the operator was right. For example, a lefty on my team had a Dimension which was drilled for a righty - at a prior shop. The operator spotted the problem and explained it to my teammate. He had been disappointed in the ball up to then, as you can imagine. Needless to say, the original driller was "let go" at the center he worked at - due to lack of business.

lhooker

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2012, 03:15:52 PM »
If he were making legitimate claims and didn't precede those claims with lines like "I hope you didn't pay much for that ball", I would be fine with hearing him out. My guy has his PBA card, has a PBA national title, has one of the few shops that stays busy all the time (I still don't know how they do it). Most importantly everything has drilled for me so far has performed as discussed or better before the purchase and the customer service has been top notch every time.

It would be hard for me to take the opinion from a more obscure operator as 100% fact based on my experience with and what I know about my current operator. I'm definitely not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to layouts, drilling specs, etc. but I knew enough at the time to discern that his claims were off. To sum it all up, I keep an open mind but its hard to keep my mind open when you openly bash a colleague in the hope to gain a sale or two. I have heard many operators or many occasions refrain from making negative comments about equipment drilled by other operators. Was a really weird situation overall.

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 04:04:28 PM »
I haven't had this problem as I've gone to the same pro shop operator for the last 17 years but his professionalism is definitely in question.

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2012, 04:59:22 PM »
One thing I was curious about was, what made you go to this guy if you are happy with another driller?
The sad truth about this, is guys like him will actually get a multitude of business from people that really don't know any better. But what he did is a sure tell sign that he really doesn't have a clue and he's just trying to get any business he can, anyway he can. Some people believe whatever the most recent person tells them. And it's also sad how many people there are out there that will believe this.
It is quite funny that he clammed up when you told him who your driller was.
If I walked into a shop and the guy started in like that, I would have packed all my stuff back up and just said "nevermind."

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2012, 08:40:26 PM »
I drill, rejuvinate and resurface all my own stuff.  Problem solved.  ;)

Sorry for your bad experience, maybe if he loses your business he will have the sense to figure out why before he's out of business.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2012, 09:17:56 PM »
A very long time ago, a had gone to a ball driller in a small suburb in the Chicagoland area.  He told me that my equipment was not drilled correctly that my span was short.  I was naive at the time and started to go to this so called ball driller later to find out that when I wasn't in his shop, he slammed me in front of other customers and even joked about me.  Needless to say I never went back into this so called pro shop.  Then I had found out that a lot of people that had gone to this shop had grip problems and having problems with their hand.  Thank goodness I got out of there in time.  There had been times where I wanted to go in there and tell this ball driller off.  I didn't want to stoop to their level though.  I found another shop that was recommended to me and have been going there for over 20 years. 

lhooker

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Re: How would you respond?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 10:12:10 PM »
@NoseofRI, 4months ago I moved 3 hours away from my home so for general maintenance, accessories, etc I have to go to local shops. When I need something drilled, I drive back home or have it shipped by my proshop guy. I basically worked with the same driller for 6 years while I bowled on and off and just recently, about a year ago, began working with the new operator on the recommendation of many friends. It's been a great experience thus far and I plan to get a few coaching lessons by him going forward. His name is Kurt Pilon btw. There's another pro shop in the area that I will give my business to going forward.

I moved from Metro Detroit to a smaller area (Benton Harbor, MI) and bowling is nowhere near as popular as it is in Metro Detroit. I just think the guy was really hurting for sales.
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