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cryinryan

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Hudson valley NY ProShops
« on: August 22, 2014, 06:35:04 PM »
has anyone dealt with Barry Winters in the Hudson Valley of NY-- I know that he is a PBA pro -- but looking for recommendations.

Also heard that Buddies in Fairfield Conn can't be beat-- both online and at their shop

All opinions are appreciated

 

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2014, 11:13:34 AM »
Phil Paterno is excellent he has a few shops throughout the hv. Jefferson valley wappingers and poughkeepsie.

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2014, 11:55:49 AM »
I was told that Phil doesn't really measure or determine your PAP and drills the same layout all the time-4X2X4--

Where Winters -- watches you bowl find your Axis and measure you PAP not sure if that matters much

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2014, 12:43:10 PM »
Buddies is a really good shop if you want to take the ride to Fairfield.  They're very good to deal with online and in the shop.

As for the Hudson Valley shops you mentioned, I'll take the shop that watches you bowl, finds your axis and measures PAP every time over someone that just throws 4x2x4 on every ball.  Everyone is going to be different and using 1 standard layout on every ball is not always going to help the individual.  Even though the person that drills my stuff knows my game well, and has drilled my stuff for a few years now, she still wants to see me throw the ball just to check if anything has changed with the axis/PAP, etc.
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cryinryan

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 03:55:21 PM »
Hi Tommy

who do you go to?  Are they local

Do you think there would be much difference between Buddies and the Guy in  Lower Hudson who took the time to measure the PAP and find the CG, Axis Etc. 

Prices are a little better at Buddy's -- but hour and half drive + gas makes the price about the same


I am never going to be a Pro Bowler and either is my son-- so debating on takeing that long ride for 2 pins on my average

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2014, 04:14:54 PM »
I'm 2.5hrs away I won't try to sell you, lol! But, going to a reputable shop that measures and watches you bowl is the key. I would suggest contacting Mike Luongo. He's a NorthEast sales rep for Storm. He also is an instructor of the innovative pro shop classes. He's a class act, very knowledgable and is a great coach too. He's located in Middletown as far as I know. You can email him via Storm's website. He or his son Mickey are really good.
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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2014, 04:19:59 PM »
Thanks Tommy-- will do-- 2.5 ain't that far--LOL I drive 80 miles to work each way everyday!

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2014, 04:31:31 PM »
Well . . . I'm located in the Berkshires of MA
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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 08:44:38 PM »
Anyone that tells you he's going to use a 4 x 2 x 4 layout on your ball without knowing where your PAP is located is blowing smoke or, even worse, doesn't know better.  --  JohnP

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 09:37:16 PM »
Thank you-- that i why I started this thread-- the several proshops in my area have told me they cal tell the PAP by just looking at the ball-- which maybe true-- but they have no idea how I throw -- with the exception of one who spent and hour with me finding my gravity point-- even tok me down the lane to feel the oil-- heavy up front an tapered out at the end, then took me on the deck to show me why the right ball shoudl drive the 6 into the ten-- less chance of leaving or taping the 10 and then continue to power through to bury the 8 - leaving everything down. 

I would go with him but he is a litle pricey and the Buddies Proshop 1 1/2 hours away has had amazing reviews-- bowlers from all over my region go there religiously

So do I amke the trip or stay home and go with the pro that took an hour+ to explain the science and reason to keep it simple stupid

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 10:01:25 PM »
As a pro shop operator, this is the question that kills me. I make sure to watch the bowler's style, measure pap, tilt, rotation and rev rate. I talk to them about balls that would compliment what they have and their style. It's a passion for me, not a $$ maker. Buddies is great, no doubt. I work hard to stay competitive with their prices. It's hard because they aren't selling the balls for much more than Shops can get them from distributors. Even the most detailed shop can't make $$ selling this way. Buddies has volume and has cornered the internet market. So it's tough. I am always grateful to my loyal customers and always try to give a fair price to everyone. I toss in a free oil extraction and resurface to all of my customers that buy a new ball, not just regulars. All of my customers work hard for their money and deserve 100% of my time and efforts. But, isn't the time and knowledge spent with a customer worth something? It's hard to put a number amount on it. It's a tough question for a bowler looking for a high quality pro shop. How much is too much?
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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 10:12:33 PM »
i used to live in Fairfield and had buddies do my stuff. both chris and tim are top notch and take as much time as needed with everyone whether youre a regular or come in every couple years. between their knowledge and customer service they cant be beat but im biased.

Rich Jacobson in White Plains bowl is also very good and knows his stuff. he is getting kicked out of his proshop by Bowlmor though in October so time is a factor there

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 10:53:58 PM »
Hi Tommy

who do you go to?  Are they local

Do you think there would be much difference between Buddies and the Guy in  Lower Hudson who took the time to measure the PAP and find the CG, Axis Etc. 

Prices are a little better at Buddy's -- but hour and half drive + gas makes the price about the same


I am never going to be a Pro Bowler and either is my son-- so debating on takeing that long ride for 2 pins on my average

I'm actually in the Buffalo area, so I go to Sue Jeziorski (runs Cutting Edge Pro Shop and The Edge Bowling Center, also a regional Radical staff member).  I stuck with her after Bowlmor forced her out because she has a very good reputation around my area and has always done a great job on my stuff. 

However, I have bought things from Buddies online before and have always had good experiences with them.  They run a top notch shop/online store. 

I have heard of Rich Jacobson and he is a solid choice.  If you're closer to New Hyde Park, you can stop by Tommy DeLutz Jr's pro shop at Herrill Lanes.  He's a guy that will take the time needed to make sure you're set up the right way.
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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2014, 04:17:27 AM »
Thanks -- I am leaning towards taking the 1 1/2 trip to buddies-- think it might be a good road trip-  takea half day off work and bring my son-- he starts High School in two weeks.  So I mam going to buy him a ball.

He is throwing a cyclone and a WD for spares-- he just started so might bring him up to a nice mid level ball-- as a surprise!  Becasue of all the people I spoke/read about no one has mentioned the Pro I went to and his prices are about 30+ tax more then what buddies quoated me on the Fusion--

That's my next Post -- what ball should I get my son-- only kidding-- I'll let the Pro's guide him!

have a great day

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Re: Hudson valley NY ProShops
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2014, 06:22:18 AM »
So you are going to take a half day off of work, spend 3 hours driving and jam it to the guy that already spent an hour with you trying to earn your business over $30.  I hope if you need the thumb hole worked out or want the surface adjusted that guy tells you to drive back to Buddies, but he's probably too nice to do that if he already spent an hour with you.

Gee, Chris and Tim are in for a real treat when you get there.