Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 21, 2003, 05:24:10 AM
I have also heard that some bowlers use the tape to facilitate a quicker, cleaner release. I am not using it for that purpose so cannot comment on that use of it.
I purchased a 2 inch x 10 yards roll of HypaFix tape and found that I am probably not going to use it all up for quite a while since I am only cutting out a ½ inch wide piece of the tape to use on my thumb each time. So if anyone wants to try a sample of the HypaFix tape, I am willing to mail out a sample, if you send me a mailing address by message. If you wish to purchase HypaFix tape, please call the manufacturer at 1-800-876-1261 to find the nearest outlet. It may be available in a medical supply store. I am not associated with the company nor do I sell it. Since I am not as knowledgeable as others on this site about different balls, ball drillings, or bowling tips, this is my way of helping out.
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Amended to add:
Apply the tape lengthwise on the thumb with both ends rounded off, covering the sore spot or area you feel is rubbing, anchoring one end on the thumbnail if possible. Do not apply it wrapped around the thumb like a ring as it will peel off quickly. If one end does start to lift, try reapplying it at a different angle or with the lifting edge on a different part of your thumb. Hope this helps.
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After you try the tape out, please post back here and let others know your findings, good and bad, about the tape. That way, other bowlers can use that information to their benefit. There are other tapes out by other manufacturers to use on the thumb or fingers and if you want to, please post any comments about them here also. This should not include tapes that are inserted into the thumb or finger holes for gripping or fitting use.
Edited on 7/1/2003 4:48 PM
Post by: baiki on May 21, 2003, 09:00:13 PM
I want to add that Hypafix is made by "Smith & Nephew". The one I have is Made in France.
There's also the same stuff made by others, typically Medfix by 3M.
Available at medical supply houses or maybe ordered through your pharmacy. Intended as dressing adhesive for 2nd or 3rd degree burns. Comes in 1", 2", 6" width and 10M length.
What I've found is that Hypafix is the only one that one piece on the back of thumb will last 6 games without the adhesive sipping through to interfere with thumb release.
Another great thing is that it can be layered for longer games and also to adjust thumb fit.
Typically was last year's Nationals in Billings. Was so cold that I have to layered 5 pieces onto my thumb to adjust.
Great product, economical, easy to apply and remove, no thumb hole adjustment needed and it works.
baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997
Post by: Jerry Weller on May 21, 2003, 09:27:06 PM
I don't use it all the time because my thumb normally gets out of the ball plenty quick without it, but if you are having trouble sticking in the thumbhole I'd recommend it.
Post by: OLI on May 22, 2003, 06:39:49 AM
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Post by: baiki on May 22, 2003, 07:28:35 AM
Jerry,
$20, is very expensive.
I paid Canadian $8.89 + 14.5% tax for a 2" X 10 M.
baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997
Post by: charlest on May 22, 2003, 08:19:41 AM
quote:
Jerry,
$20, is very expensive.
I paid Canadian $8.89 + 14.5% tax for a 2" X 10 M.
baiki
That's because of that Candian Heath Care system. In the lower 48, we have to pay for all those CEO bonuses and retirement pensions.
Edited on 5/22/2003 2:54 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on May 22, 2003, 08:33:13 AM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 22, 2003, 12:22:46 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 22, 2003, 12:27:51 PM
Post by: baiki on May 22, 2003, 01:35:10 PM
Price I quote is marked on the box and retail. Anyone can buy it at that price. Our medical system does not cover such items.
baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 22, 2003, 01:51:10 PM
Post by: Jerry Weller on May 22, 2003, 02:48:53 PM
Post by: charlest on May 22, 2003, 02:58:05 PM
quote:
Price I quote is marked on the box and retail. Anyone can buy it at that price. Our medical system does not cover such items.
baiki
I'm sure it doesn't. I did that to vent a little as there are some things that it seems we pay far too much for just to line some rich person's wallet further.
Post by: baiki on May 22, 2003, 05:56:04 PM
Charlest,
I always thought that US have cheaper prices and that we pay more here. With conversion, US20 can buy 4 rolls.
Jerry can have enough left over for his next 3 generation.
baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 23, 2003, 07:36:12 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 24, 2003, 10:55:11 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 26, 2003, 04:54:29 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 27, 2003, 01:13:59 AM
Have you had your thumbhole checked by a proshop to see if there is anything that they can do to help alleviate your problem?
Post by: 10 In The Pit on May 27, 2003, 03:10:11 AM
To give you an idea of how tight my thumbhole fits, I have to use Vaseline Lip Therapy on both sides of the thumb, just to reduce the drag on the inside of the urethane slug. I tape the heck out of the thumbhole because I hate tapered thumb holes, and every oval drilled thumbhole that I've tried turned out tapered to some degree. So, I have the holes drilled round, then I put in about 7 pieces of tape to adjust the fit (4 1" white under the thumb, 2 1" white behind the thumb, 1 1" black over the white behind the thumb). Then I fine tune the fit with 1/2" wide strips of white under the thumb. I spend so much time working with retaping the thumbhole (especially changing out the top piece of white tape due to oil getting on it) that I even carry a small 2 AA size MagLite in my bag, so I can see exactly where to realign the tape at (and of course I use the Master Tape Insert Tool too). I even go as far as to scribe an ink line around the upper edge of each piece of tape, so I know exactly how deep to insert the new piece when changing out pieces of tape.
Needless to say, a good non-tapered oval hole would work out much better for me....but the only oval shaped thumb sleeves I'm aware of are the vinyl ones, and it is too humid around here to use a vinyl thumb sleeve.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 27, 2003, 03:21:52 AM
I have a snug thumbhole with Magic Carpet in the back and various amounts of tape in the front to snug it up. I would not call my fit tight unless my thumb swells and then I usually remove some tape from the front. So with my snug fit, I use the HypaFix on either the front or back of the thumb depending on which area is bothering me at the time. No problems with the HypaFix staying on my thumb, but again, my thumbhole doesnt sound as tight as you keep yours.
Try it and see. Worse case is you have to remove a piece of the adjusting tape from the front of the thumbhole or that you cant use the HypaFix. Wish I could help you but I really dont know. The HypaFix is thin, but you sound like you have to almost force your thumb into the thumbhole. Let me know how it goes.
Post by: baiki on May 27, 2003, 11:16:32 AM
10,
Put it on your thumb and try it out. It may even help you eliminate the preshrinking thumb routine that you're presently doing.
If you're using such a tight fit thumbhole, suggest you cover the tip of thumb with it too to prevent the tape rolling up as you insert your thumb.
I've seen a bowler taping his whole thumb with it. Even to his thumb base. Although I've not try such taping, he seem to bowl great. No slippage, great release.
After a few throws to get the feel of the release, trust the tape to help your release. Know for sure your thumb release is clean and no hang. You'll be surprise.
About taping thumb hole. A trick I use is put a pin or scratch mark near the thumb hole to indicate the center of where the tape is going to be placed.
baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 28, 2003, 11:41:51 AM
Post by: Magic Carpet on May 28, 2003, 11:52:59 AM
Do you think the HypaFix works well with the Magic Carpet? I have tried some tapes before and I like the feel of the combo of Magic Carpet and the tape but it was hard to keep the tape on my thumb.
Ron Clifton
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 28, 2003, 02:00:25 PM
I think the HypaFix does work well with the Magic Carpets. I have Magic Carpets in all of my balls and I was using the combination of HypaFix and Magic Carpet during the Ritger clinic, about 3-4 hrs bowling x 4 days and the HypaFix stayed on my thumb with no problems. I think I had to change it out during the lunch break because I washed my hands and the tape got soaking wet.
Do you want to try some HypaFix to find out for yourself? It is very thin, flexible, sticks well, and doesnt seem to leave much glue residue when removed.
Let me know if you want to try a sample.
Post by: Bjaardker on May 28, 2003, 02:12:10 PM
Thanks again MI_2_AZ!
Post by: baiki on May 28, 2003, 02:20:08 PM
Ron,
I use your magic carpet with the hypafix. (I did thank you for the samples did'nt I?)
Read my earlier post to 10.
I cut my 2"width hypafix at an 45 degree angle to get a longer piece and start on the thumb tip backwards. No more problem with the tape rolling.
baiki
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Post by: Magic Carpet on May 28, 2003, 11:12:13 PM
Ron Clifton
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 29, 2003, 03:27:21 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 30, 2003, 03:41:48 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on May 31, 2003, 11:40:29 PM
First I want to truly thank MI_2_AZ for the samples.
This tape couldn't have come at a better time. With summer being here the alleys have been steamy & I've been having a HELL of a time getting out of my thumb hole. I dont want to open them up though because they're just fine in the winter.
So I started bowling today & the center was hot & humid as usual. (Note to Milwaukee bowling proprietors, people will spend more time in your establishment when you start using this new invention called AIR CONDITIONING!
) And after just 3 frames I was hanging up. I put one of the strips that MI2AZ precut along the back left side of my thumb, covering the part of the knuckle that tends to rub & hang. I was amazed at how it almost became part of my skin, right down to it melding into the wrinkles on the back of my thumb.SO, did it work? HECK YES, I actually had to work hard ay reminding myself not to grip the ball since it felt almost like it was going to fall off of my hand it was so slick. Once I got used to it, clean & easy release.
Thanks again MI2AZ, I'm going to buy a roll of this stuff right away, I can see where this could have a LOT of uses.
LADIES & SANDALWEARERS, this would be PERFECT stuff to avoid blisters with.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 02, 2003, 04:49:36 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 02, 2003, 08:59:48 PM
I did find a place on the internet that is selling the tape 2"x10 yards for $10.24 + shipping try www.etrode.com . Thanks goes to MI_2_AZ
Post by: Bjaardker on June 02, 2003, 11:11:47 PM
Post by: MTFD24 on June 03, 2003, 12:02:37 AM
One suggestion to those that may experience any of the tapes not adhering well is to clean your thumb with rubbing alcohol prior to applying the tape.
My routine is to use an alcohol swab patch (box of 120 for about a dollar) and clean my thumb. Then after allowing the area to air dry for about a minute, apply the tape. I have been able to go 9 game blocks without a problem.
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Post by: Loki300 on June 03, 2003, 12:07:23 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 03, 2003, 12:26:44 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 03, 2003, 03:21:09 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 03, 2003, 06:11:10 PM
Thanks to pnj1967 for the link, you can see for yourself the spelling: http://www.etrode.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=19467
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 03, 2003, 11:16:45 PM
Post by: Magic Carpet on June 03, 2003, 11:35:07 PM
Thank you for the samples. I am very impressed with this tape. I have tried several others out and this one so far is king. It is so thin that on the back of my thumb I can't even tell I have it on. It stretches nicely and seems to stay put. It works very well with Magic Carpet. Would be great for people that have sensitive skin on the back of their thumb.
Good find MI_2_AZ
Ron Clifton
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 04, 2003, 12:50:14 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 05, 2003, 03:32:59 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 05, 2003, 03:58:36 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
To anyone else who has already received samples, after you try the tape out, please post back here and let others know your findings, good and bad, about the tape. That way, other bowlers can use that information to their benefit.
If anyone else wants to try a sample, message me with your mailing address.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 06, 2003, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on June 06, 2003, 07:13:33 PM
I received mine Thursday. This stuff is great.
It does take some getting used to as I was afraid of dropping the ball as it slides off the ball so easy. I used it on my thumb, instead of putting in the ball.
The only thing is I wish it came in 1" width. I ordered the 2" just a little while ago.
Again Thanks for this post and the sample.
Edited on 6/6/2003 7:18 PM
Post by: baiki on June 06, 2003, 11:27:11 PM
It is for the thumb. Never thought of putting into the thumb hole before. Could be very hard to do.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 06, 2003, 11:58:58 PM
pnj1967, you are welcome. Thanks for providing that link earlier. It will enable people to see what the tape looks like.
Has anyone tried to use it in the thumbhole and what were the results?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 07, 2003, 03:43:41 PM
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Post by: Jeff The Chef on June 10, 2003, 09:55:57 PM
10/10 rating
- Jeff
Post by: baiki on June 11, 2003, 12:43:04 AM
Tape should stay in place until you remove it. It may thin out after 6 games or so. That's when you layer it for more games.
Why is it not staying?
My problem is it rolls up if not placed over the nail to the tip of the thumb.
I bowled a 10 game "swiss tournamet" with the tape and have no trouble.
MI_2_AZ
You have given away our edge. Now we have to find another bowling aid.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 11, 2003, 01:19:43 PM
I agree with Baiki that the tape should stay on your thumb for at least 3 games. How are you applying the tape to your thumb? I tried wrapping a piece around my thumb but it did not stay because it got peeled off. By applying it lengthwise, and when possible anchoring it to the thumbnail, it should stay put for the 3 game series and usually longer. If you need it to cover the area at the base of your thumb, you might need a longer piece to cover the entire length of your thumb. You might want to get the 4 inch x 10 yard roll.
Baiki,
I forgot that this tape was supposed to be kept a secret, sorry.
Post by: Strider on June 15, 2003, 03:56:25 AM
I put a strip on the back of my thumb anchoring it to my thumbnail. It conforms to the shape of the thumb easily. Overall thickness is close to one piece of thin black tape (I give AMF black tape "The Bowlers Tape" a thickness of 1, Donkee black tape a 3, and white textured tape a 4). The HypaFix Tape is smooth and "cottony", not tacky, but not slick either. I only used it one game because I forgot about it until then. Once you get your thumbhole to the correct snugness, you'll never know the HpyaFix tape is even there. After one game, one edge started to fray just a little, but I think it would held up for at least 3 games. Bonus: the stuff has the perfect amount of adhesive. It stays in place, but it doesn't leave any residue on your thumb, nor does it try to remove any hair you might have there.
A also have some ABS tape. If feels a bit like gauze, and looks just like the Vicegrip tape (TT-25) http://www.viseinserts.com/tapes.htm. I still haven't tested it yet, so I can't compare it to the HypaFix tape. It does look a bit thicker than the Hypafix.
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Penn State Proud
Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 23, 2003, 09:55:33 PM
Have you had the chance to try the ABS tape yet?
Post by: Strider on June 23, 2003, 11:41:09 PM
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Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 30, 2003, 08:48:50 PM
Post by: baiki on July 01, 2003, 04:41:57 AM
What happens when you do not use tape? Does your thumb blisters?
In your case you can tape up the whole thumb with it. You can wrap the tape round your thumb in two layers or more.
I've seen a bowler from Singapore use it that way in Vancouver. He have no problems.
It's so cheap, you can afford to waste some, if it'll help your game.
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Post by: seadrive on July 01, 2003, 09:37:22 AM
I used a full thumb-length piece last week in my summer league, when it was warm and I just knew I was about to rip up my thumb. Worked great in my strike ball, but for some reason, caused my spare ball to almost fall off my hand. The hole is probably too loose, and I've probably been grabbing it.
Great stuff! Definitely will use it again tonight.
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Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: MI 2 AZ on July 01, 2003, 10:40:09 AM
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Apart from the fast fraying, stickiness from adhesive seepage and inconvenience thereof, I do like the snug feeling and smoother release given by the tape when fresh.
Helibowl, there are other thumb and finger tapes being sold by the various bowling supply and bowling ball companies at the present time. Here is a message that was posted about one such type of tape.
Posted: 5/17/2003 4:08 AM by Mr Buzzsaw UK
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Hi Guys and Gals,
Turbo 2-N-1 Grips have a new line of Power Supplies tape. This is applied to your thumb and/or fingers and when removed leaves NO tackiness whatsoever. Because there was no residue left on my thumb when I tried it, I decided to perform a test on the tape. I found ONE strip of smooth thumb tape to last for no less than FOUR!!!!!!!!! nights league sessions - I removed it after each session and stored it on the original backing then re-applied it the next session. Now I realise that this is not good marketing, but it's really not worth doing from a cost point of view. However, it does prove the quality of the product.
The tape comes in 4 types:
Smooth Tape - for protecting the thumb and getting out of the ball cleanly.
Beige Fitting Tape - to take up a small amount of looseness in the hole.
Mint Fitting Tape - to take up a little more looseness in the hole.
(These 2 types are a great alternative to adding and removing tape in the holes during competition)
Tacky Tape - mainly for the fingers to retain a little more grip if required.
Hope you find this info useful
I hope that he doesnt mind my copying it over into this topic and perhaps one of these tapes will hold up better for your useage.
Post by: charlest on July 01, 2003, 11:23:33 AM
Seems like no matter how I apply it, no matter where on or around my thumb's knuckle that I apply it, ot how small or how large a piece I apply, either the front edge peels back upon putting my thumb into the hole or the read edge peels back slightly after a few tosses. The most frames I have been able to get with a single piece is maybe 6 or 7, with an average or 3 or 4 frames. And I only get that if I keep on smoothing out the peeled-back edge.
Can someone who uses it successfuly for 2 or 3 games describe in detail how you apply it and how big a piece you apply AND exactly on which part of the knuckle you apply it?
Thanks.
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Post by: Strider on July 01, 2003, 11:42:07 AM
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Post by: baiki on July 01, 2003, 01:36:00 PM
Charlest,
Try cutting the tape at an angle to get more length. Round off the acute edge.
Start the tape at the tip of thumb covering the whole nail. This will prevent the tape edge catching and roll when you put your thumb in.
I had some trouble when I first tried "Ron's Magic Carpet" and this solved it.
helibowl,
Is the sides of your thumb hole rough? Wet sanding with fine grit to smooth it out will help.
If it's not, then you have a late thumb release problem.
I've seen Asian "helicopter" use the tape in 15 game "Master Tournaments" and these bowlers really use their thumb to spin the ball.
The hypafix will help for sure. Just have to figure how many layers you need to use.
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Post by: charlest on July 01, 2003, 02:43:28 PM
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STrider:Charles, if you set your preferences for around 30 days, I think I gave some detail. I only used it for one game, but it looked like it would last for at least 3. The piece I used was one that Gary had already precut. It was probably a little over 1/2" wide and the ends were rounded off. I anchored one end to the middle of my thumbnail. The piece was about 1.5" long so it stopped short of the base of my thumb.
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Thanks, Strider.
Ole Dumbass did just that about 2 seconds after I posted that drivel. Hadn't had my coffee this morning.
I saw the length-wise application and the "tape to the base of your thumbnail" bit by several people.
Thanks also to baiki. I see what you were saying.
WIll try it again tomorrow night.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on July 02, 2003, 09:15:51 PM
Post by: charlest on July 02, 2003, 11:57:14 PM
I followed the recommendations and that seemed to work SIGNIFICANTLY better.
Last the whole 5 game league tonight, which is a good thing.
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Post by: baiki on July 03, 2003, 01:49:24 AM
Charlest,
Beside lasting the games, did the tape helped? ie release and such.
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