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morpheus

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Hypothetically Speaking
« on: March 23, 2016, 11:21:22 AM »
What if I discovered a bowling ball that was out of compliance, but rather than notifying the USBC I contacted the manufacturer and kept quiet in return for compensation?

Should manufacturers police themselves from a certification perspective? (Which is likely what caused Jackalgate based on the limited information available)

With dwindling population of sanctioned bowlers, should manufacturers target unsanctioned bowlers by producing balls that are not subject to USBC certification?

If a ball was produced and sold without USBC certification, would it cost less?

As a consumer, should a non-certified ball cost less?


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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2016, 11:39:29 AM »
What if I discovered a bowling ball that was out of compliance, but rather than notifying the USBC I contacted the manufacturer and kept quiet in return for compensation?

So you want to know if it's okay to commit Blackmail?

I think that's illegal.

Blackmail:
noun: blackmail
1.the action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding money from a person in return for not revealing compromising or injurious information about that person.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2016, 11:57:06 AM »
So to ensure the integrity of the game, probably fair to say the USBC should be identifying products that are non-compliant rather than anonymous parties that might have their own agenda.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2016, 12:00:54 PM »
Here is an slightly unrelated question, but something I have wondered for the last week.  Why are static weight imbalances checked after a ball is drilled, but dynamic imbalances are tested before a ball is drilled.  Keep in mind that drilling layout can significantly alter the rg and differential of the undrilled ball. 

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2016, 12:22:13 PM »
Testing static weights is simple and quick.  An RG sling is required to check the RG and differential RG.  I've never seen this done, but I've read that it's a fairly complicated and time consuming process.  --  JohnP

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 12:23:19 PM »
What if I discovered a bowling ball that was out of compliance, but rather than notifying the USBC I contacted the manufacturer and kept quiet in return for compensation?

You owe me a new computer monitor!   :P  :P  :P
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 12:50:22 PM »
You are right John about measuring rg and differential.  Not as many spinners out there as dodo scales.  However, that just points out the ridiculous nature of the rules that allow static weight to be out of spec before drilling, so long as in compliance after drilling, yet just the opposite for dynamic imbalance.   

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 12:54:48 PM »
What if I discovered a bowling ball that was out of compliance, but rather than notifying the USBC I contacted the manufacturer and kept quiet in return for compensation?

You owe me a new computer monitor!   :P  :P  :P

Sorry about that, hopefully you didn't punch it with your bowling hand lol...just trying to spark some conversation and see what people think
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 01:01:53 PM »
You are right John about measuring rg and differential.  Not as many spinners out there as dodo scales.  However, that just points out the ridiculous nature of the rules that allow static weight to be out of spec before drilling, so long as in compliance after drilling, yet just the opposite for dynamic imbalance.   

If you understand each it makes perfect sense why they are the way they are. By having a min and max for rg and diff you are limiting how high they can go after drilling.

Top weight is there for the intent of drilling out and keeping a balance. It's not even close in comparison
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM »
Would love to hear everyone's opinion about the other questions...inquiring minds want to know!
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2016, 01:46:52 PM »
What if I discovered a bowling ball that was out of compliance, but rather than notifying the USBC I contacted the manufacturer and kept quiet in return for compensation?

You owe me a new computer monitor!   :P  :P  :P

Sorry about that, hopefully you didn't punch it with your bowling hand lol...just trying to spark some conversation and see what people think

Haha, you're good, it just cracked me up (not mad at all).  I just didn't expect to read the very definition a crime right off the bat like that in question form.  I thought it was in jest (and very well played!).
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2016, 02:32:59 PM »
You are right kidlost, but it is just as easy to control the diff through layout as it is to control the static weights. 

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »
Testing static weights is simple and quick.  An RG sling is required to check the RG and differential RG.  I've never seen this done, but I've read that it's a fairly complicated and time consuming process.  --  JohnP

You need a RG Swing with timing mechanism and electric eye counter, Determinator and a Scale, plus misc items plus Bowling Ball Radius of Gyration Worksheet which should include calibration information for the RG Swing being used

Here's the steps for do it:

Radius of Gyration (RG) of Asymmetrical Bowling Balls (SOP-BALL-1)
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/SOP-BALL-1%20Asymm%20RG.pdf

Radius of Gyration (RG) of a Symmetrical Bowling Ball (SOP-BALL-2)
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/SOP-BALL-2%20Symm%20RG.pdf

I don't really see a PSO taking all the time to do this for every drilled ball.

Imagine at the start of the season when you got a pallet of balls sitting there waiting to be drilled. Then run a RG swing to boot!
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