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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: john.hobson12490 on January 29, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
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Which ball, and why? Thanks in advance for your input.
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I personally like the Asylum better, Im one of the only ones who wasnt a fan of the Hyroad. To me the Hyroad, even with surface was too clean for fresh oil....I could only use it after lanes broke down and I was looking for a benchmark. I find the Asylum to handle fresh oil fine and have a heavier roll....hits like a truck...it tells me exactly what move to ake next, ball up or ball down, reads the lane great.
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I live and swear by the Hy-Road. Definetly my favorite ball right now. However, I think the Asylum is a better benchmark especially on todays oil. The Hy-Road would need to be about 500/2000 to be about the same strrngth as the Asylum. Go with Roto Grip. I am thinking about the Asylum as well.
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I personally like the Asylum better, Im one of the only ones who wasnt a fan of the Hyroad. To me the Hyroad, even with surface was too clean for fresh oil....I could only use it after lanes broke down and I was looking for a benchmark. I find the Asylum to handle fresh oil fine and have a heavier roll....hits like a truck...it tells me exactly what move to ake next, ball up or ball down, reads the lane great.
You should be in sales for Roto, you make me want to buy a few.
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I personally like the Asylum better, Im one of the only ones who wasnt a fan of the Hyroad. To me the Hyroad, even with surface was too clean for fresh oil....I could only use it after lanes broke down and I was looking for a benchmark. I find the Asylum to handle fresh oil fine and have a heavier roll....hits like a truck...it tells me exactly what move to ake next, ball up or ball down, reads the lane great.
You should be in sales for Roto, you make me want to buy a few.
It is really good. I will tell my honest opinions if asked. Lol. Some good some bad.
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I agree with vkowalski.
It seems that the Asylum is stronger when compared to the Hyroad. If you're on the heavier side of medium go with the Asylum. If you're on the lighter side of medium and/or experience a lot of breakdown I'd go with the Hyroad
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If you want a ball that will make you play a slower speed than you want to, and still not sure if you'll get over or under reaction, go with the Hy Road. (just my experience with it).
The Asylum I have not heard a bad thing about yet, and I think you'll find that for some reason, Roto Grips hit just a little harder than most, including their sister Storm
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The point somebody made earlier about the Hyroad being too clean is one of the best points to me in favor of getting the Asylum instead. Hyroad either needs some surface or the track needs to burn a bit to smooth out the backend transition. Haha, very rarely you'll say a ball being too clean is a problem, but it can be sometimes with the Hyroad on fresh conditions.
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I am probably going to get an Asylum because it will refuce the over-and-under I saw with my Hy-Road. Sometimes it just transitioned too hard after the oil. I've even seen a little wiggle from it. The Asylum will burn a little energy in the front and still hit hard through the pins. Good luck on your decision.
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Went with the asylum, and don't regret it one bit. First game strung the first eight, with a ringing 10 in the ninth for 279. 40 foot ths.
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Nice!! I've averaged 230 with it over the last three weeks. Great ball!
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I am going to dredge up this thread because I am about to make the same decision. I picked up a Hyroad last October and put a control layout on it in hopes of making it my benchmark ball. On fresh oil, the hyroad doesn't read the mids for me at box finish. I have tried it at 2000 and 3000 abralon but neither seemed to give me the look on the fresh I am looking for. 2000 seemed to burn off too much energy and 3000 was hit or miss at reading the midlane on fresh. My house doesn't usually have the cleanest backends, so I need a ball to get a good read in the mids to prevent over/under and spotty reactions. I am debating replacing my hyroad with an Asylum. From those who seem to have the same issues with the hyroad that I have, do you find the Asylum a better benchmark piece?
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The problem with Hy Roads is that they are kind of in between for medium to low rev guys. Too strong to play direct, but doesn't generate the kind of pop you can move in on. I haven't thrown the asylum, but Storm guys told me it was very comparable to the Cobalt Vibe, which is a ball you can play more direct with.
I like the Marvel Pearl better than the HyRoad when I want to move in, and I like my Vibe to play more direct on fresh or strong back ends.
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Though they are very close in overall hook the shape is different. Asylum slows down quicker providing a smooth down lane motion with a slower response to friction so it's much better for me when I need to control the breakpoint with straighter angles. Hyroad is a quick response ball for me and looks much better when the fronts are beat up requiring more angle through the front. I've had 5 Hyroads over the years so one of my favorites and both are excellent choices as a step down from the IQ or Marvel lines.
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Hy-road.......the best ball Iv ever thrown.....besides a baseball
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I am going to dredge up this thread because I am about to make the same decision. I picked up a Hyroad last October and put a control layout on it in hopes of making it my benchmark ball. On fresh oil, the hyroad doesn't read the mids for me at box finish. I have tried it at 2000 and 3000 abralon but neither seemed to give me the look on the fresh I am looking for. 2000 seemed to burn off too much energy and 3000 was hit or miss at reading the midlane on fresh. My house doesn't usually have the cleanest backends, so I need a ball to get a good read in the mids to prevent over/under and spotty reactions. I am debating replacing my hyroad with an Asylum. From those who seem to have the same issues with the hyroad that I have, do you find the Asylum a better benchmark piece?
I'd suspect your mistake was one I make quite a bit myself. If you put a control drill on the HR, it is probably best used with polish. Once you dull the ball down to 2000 or 3000 grit, the control drill will often make the backend very slow and leave you lots of back row, 1 and 2 pin spares (these balls tend to use up too much energy in the mid-lane.). If you use strong-ish balls like the HR and the Asylum with dull surfaces, you often need stronger reacting drills, not control drills. By stronger I mean smaller VAL angles or pin-up drillings (to be very generic). If you have a higher tilt or more rotation in your release, you don't need smaller VAL angles.
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I'd suspect your mistake was one I make quite a bit myself. If you put a control drill on the HR, it is probably best used with polish. Once you dull the ball down to 2000 or 3000 grit, the control drill will often make the backend very slow and leave you lots of back row, 1 and 2 pin spares (these balls tend to use up too much energy in the mid-lane.). If you use strong-ish balls like the HR and the Asylum with dull surfaces, you often need stronger reacting drills, not control drills. By stronger I mean smaller VAL angles or pin-up drillings (to be very generic). If you have a higher tilt or more rotation in your release, you don't need smaller VAL angles.
^THIS!^ Describes the reaction I was getting to a tee. The problem is I didn't like the way the ball handles with polish for me at my center as it made it very over/under on the spotty backends at my house. I already put an order in for an Asylum but thank you for this info so I won't screw up the asylum with a control drilling. I may have my driller plug the hy-road and try a different layout or I may see what I can get for it while it's a single drill. Thanks for your help everyone. I will be sure to update after I get the Asylum to share my findings.
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Now that I have both, I can make a fair statement. The Hy-Road skids more on the fresh and arcs into the pocket. The Asylum is early with a very conyinuous roll. Ihave 3 potential benchmark bowling balls in the Asylum, !Q Tour Solid, and Hy-Road. The Asylum is definitely the earliest and rolliest of the 3. For my arsenal, I've decided the !Q will be the best benchmark. The Asylum is at 1000 for heavier volumes of oil. The Hy-Road will be for when I need a ball to skid through the heads and have a nice arc.
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So I finally bought the Asylum and got a chance to throw it today and I am 110% ecstatic with my decision. I bowled on a pair that had just finished a kids party and usually at my local house, this would spell disaster for me since I am slightly speed dominant and carrydown is a nightmare. The Asylum handled this absolutely phenomenally. I often run into similar conditions in my second shift league during the winter and always struggle to consistently carry even on decent pocket hit. I found that statement especially true with the Hy-road I have. I love the earlier roll of the Asylum and it definitely suits me much better than the Hy-road. It does need a bit more oil but as long as I didn't get it into the dry too early from too direct of a line, it was a beast. I could even swing it way out to the dry from an inside line and didn't suffer from carry issues. Needless to say, I am in love with this ball and can't wait to get some more games under my belt with it. It will certainly be the first ball out of the bag on a house shot. Thanks again for all the comments and input!