Post by: chipmunkbowler on June 19, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
any advice
Edited on 6/20/2009 7:26 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on June 20, 2009, 08:19:07 AM
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Post by: icewall on June 20, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
haha on thursday they changed the shot and I managed a STUNNING 451 !!! i was dropping the ball, completely missing my mark, and even when I did pin point where I wanted the ball to go I rolled it off my hand different so it wouldnt always make the turn... sigh! this is what happens every time I decide to change my game LOL!
Post by: scooter19530 on June 20, 2009, 09:28:30 AM
Post by: chipmunkbowler on June 20, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Post by: Nicanor on June 20, 2009, 09:53:27 AM
There are several if not many spare systems. But a system will help. The major system difference that I know of is those who use a spare ball (plastic or urethane mostly) and those that use their strike ball for all theur spares.
A system is just a starting point though. If you have a sprae system for a THS, great place to start, and it works out, you might have to make foot placement adjustments if the lane condition is drier or oilier then when you first developed your spare system on a THS shot. This is more true for those who use a strike ball to make their spares.
Most say, and I agree for the most part, that using a spare ball, plastic, and going straight at your spares takes the lane condition out of the formula. I believe is close but if the lanes are very oil or very dry, some adjustments will be necessary.
Without a system though, you can be bouncing all over the place and never having confidence in your spare game.
The system I usually teach to start with is the 2-4-6-8-10 system using your strike moving right for left hand spares and left of right hand spares. But thats just a starting point and not set in stone. So many bowling instructors use the middle arrow (20 board) to make spares moving left or right as necessary but it takes practice to see where you need to line your feet up to make the spares using the middle arrow or any spare system.
again there are different systems out there and you should try to find one that works for you and adjust as necessary, but use a system.
Good luck.
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Post by: J_Mac on June 20, 2009, 10:00:45 AM
Then quit!
Post by: SleepOnIce on June 20, 2009, 10:33:52 AM
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Post by: Easy10pins on June 20, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
If you can't find one at your local bowling center look elsewhere.
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Post by: jd1319 on June 20, 2009, 07:08:39 PM
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Post by: Buzzhead on June 21, 2009, 01:30:46 PM
Other than that.......
QUIT.
find a good coach or PRACTICE spares....
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 22, 2009, 10:36:07 AM
quote:+1. Plastic is the best thing ever to happen to my spare game.
Plastic spare ball takes out most of the guess work.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on June 22, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
1) Buy the latest and greatest hook-monster
2) Whine, scream, cry, pound your fist on the counter if you have to, but DEMAND that the shot be made better/easier, as they are obviously crap if you are leaving spares.
There. Easier pattern, stronger ball, no spares to shoot at. Problem solved.
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Post by: Monster Pike on June 22, 2009, 10:58:33 AM
quote:quote:+1. Plastic is the best thing ever to happen to my spare game.
Plastic spare ball takes out most of the guess work.
Me too, especially for my 10, 9, & 6 pins (Right hander).
And I stand left & throw across the lane giving myself some angle to miss left or touch right & still kick out the 10. Throwing straight down the twig at a 10 pin doesn't give you much room for error. When I throw my plastic I still will get a board or 2 of hook depending on how dry it is, so that's why I don't even change my release & know if I miss a touch right it will hang on the rail. Went from a ton of just misses to a bunch of spears. I can't wait for fall league. Don't have time, due to work, for a summer league.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 22, 2009, 08:03:29 PM
I don't know if this is the same problem that you are describing because you didn't really give any info... I don't know if you are normally good at shooting spares but since you describe it as an "all time low" I would have to think that you are normally better at it.
I wonder if it is a mental block. I have noticed with myself and others that when you get in these spells where you suddenly can't shoot spares you it can start changing your swing a little bit. I have had others point out to me that when I get tentative I won't follow through all the way the same as I used to etc.
Usually what I will do to get out of this is practice one thing. Say a 10 pin. Don't try to do too many things. I try to sit there and shoot that pin until it starts to "feel" comfortable because usually it is a case of the timing being out of whack. Go back to basics and get your timing feeling right and pay attention to the follow through. If you are normally pretty good at spares, what changed? Probably not a whole lot except that you are doubting yourself and hoping to make it instead of knowing you can make it. Of course you can't fake confidence so the only way to get it is to practice until you start feeling that you have some kind of command on what you are doing again.
1. A good coach can save you time/headache
2. Plastic balls are handy and cheap
Oh I don't know about what board you are laying it down on but I generally use somewhere around the center arrow to shoot my corner pins like your coach was saying. Yes, I would say get some kind of system to practice. Everyone has their own system and you can build your own based off of the many proven systems that are out there.
Anyway, that's my take on it but I am a believer in the mental part of the equation being the most important. The mind can play tricks on your body. I am not an expert but I am just passing on what I have learned for myself.
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Post by: Atochabsh on June 22, 2009, 08:28:51 PM
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i am throwing it all over the place
We call this "spraying".
There are a number of things that promote spraying.
1. stepping off or hopping at the finish.
2. inconsistent drifting
3. muscling the arm swing
4. trying to throw the ball too hard
5. trying to hook and/or rev the ball too much
6. not keeping your head steady during your approach and finish.
That is all assuming that you have a spare system that has worked for you in the past. If you have not really ever been all that great with your spares, then now is the time. Figure out a spare system that works consistently and practice it. You can practice an entire game of 10 pins. Or use the first ball for the 10 pin the second for the 7. Make a game of it. You move onto the 6 pin and the 4 pin when you have made three frames of 10/7 pins sucessfully. Its got to be more then twice in a row as that could just be luck. Repeat with the 6 and 4 pin until you get it three times in a row and then move onto the 3 and the 2 pin. You can also work on hitting the left or right side of those pins specifically. So in your game, you don't advance until you sucessfully complete the skill three times in a row.
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Post by: sdbowler on June 22, 2009, 08:40:34 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 22, 2009, 09:35:34 PM
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there's only 1 certified coach and he is a moron he tells me to make my spares by standing as far left as possible and going trying to lay it down on the 5th board and throw it across the centre arrow when i know it will go into the gutter
Funny, isn't that how the vast majority of us attack the 10? Weird...
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Post by: chipmunkbowler on June 23, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
Post by: themagician on June 23, 2009, 01:02:25 AM
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he is saying to stand up against the ball return trying to get the ball to land on the 35th/5th board and go across centre to make your tens that would go in the gutter fast
Maybe you should bowl with your coach present and show him that it will not work for you. It really seems like someone is afraid to listen and is a do it yourselfer, I could be wrong but its how you come off, and part of it is youthful ignorance.
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Post by: Atochabsh on June 23, 2009, 01:39:50 AM
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he is saying to stand up against the ball return trying to get the ball to land on the 35th/5th board and go across centre to make your tens that would go in the gutter fast
this is too much of a variable because the ball return takes up space in different areas and widths of appraoches depending on the brand of ball returns. Maybe your coach was pretty much just generalizing for your center. Even so, I have yet to be with any coach that worked in such generalalities. Every coach I've seen has named boards by number, no matter how close they were to the ball reaturn.
But Magicmike is right. You need to try it and see if its something that's just uncomfortable because its new or not going to work. All new skills are uncomfortable.
Do you have a spare ball? YOu never mentioned. Because if you do not then I can see the coach sending you all the way out there to the left and over the 5th arrow for the 10 pin spare.
Long ago when I was in school, I was not a teenager. I was in post college and in a technical school and really already a self supporting adult. But still learned something that has stuck with me since. And I learned it from a graduated student that came to visit the class. When you are in a learning situation, it never hurts to "be a sponge". Because no matter how you feel about the person diseminating the information you never know how valuable that information is at the time. So it really is to your benefit that when someone is trying to teach you something (even if you think its wrong) and giving you (in this case) FREE information, to pay attention and "be a sponge". You might not use it right away, you may never use it. But do not waste your time with attitude and dissention. Just absorb it. Take it in. Try it. If you are truely at an all time low (your words) then you have nothing to lose.
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