Author Topic: Ball usage: the final word (Read 1395 times)

charlest · « **on:** October 04, 2004, 03:39:29 PM »

Study the ball's reactions, learn how early and how late a ball will hook based on the surface, and the strength of the core AND the drilling, then choose the right ball, the right surface and let your driller drill the ball correctly for your release AND your ball speed.

Rare, EXTREMELY rare is the ball that cannot be used with the right drilling and the right surface on ANY condition laid out today.

If it ain't right, don't blame the ball, blame yourself EVERY TIME!

Sorry but those are the facts of life.

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"We get old too fast, and too late, smart."

MSC2471 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2004, 11:57:31 PM »

Charlest: I agree 100% with the last sentiment on blaming yourself every time for when you don't bowl well. I know that my spare shooting for instance has been abysmal. I made a practical decision to buy a spare ball so that I don't have to kill myself trying to flatten out resin/particle balls at spares. My first league session with this spare ball? A perfect 9 for 9 in spare conversions (six 7 pins, 2 10 pins and a 6-9) and a 740 series to show for my clean series.

I'm learning more about the ball reactions with each ball that I have and have to realize when a ball needs to go back in the bag. Chances are good if you have 5 or 6 people playing a similar line, your heavy oiler won't last unless the lanes are really flooded, and other nights you can stick with the same ball all night long.

Thanks for all of your help in understanding ball reaction charlest, you are one of the veterans of the scene and I for one really appreciate your knowledge, help and support.

Matt

tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2004, 07:38:04 AM »

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Thanks for all of your help in understanding ball reaction charlest, you are one of the veterans of the scene and I for one really appreciate your knowledge, help and support.

I second that!

Charlest, want your opinion on this. Would you then say that there is no such thing as "bad" ball? Even if it means trying a couple of patterns or adjusting the surface as necessary? Don't you think you could find or encounter a condition where that ball will work? Thanks....
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Pinbuster · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:47:23 AM »

I donâ€™t know if there is a â€œbadâ€ ball being produced today.

But some balls seem to be so condition specific that they appear to be bad. And unfortunately some times you never run into that condition or donâ€™t recognize when to pull that ball out.

I had a Columbia Icon (the first one) and the ball had a funky reaction for me. I could hit the pocket under most conditions but it simply would not carry. But I found a condition that would pop up for a game or two that it worked on and would carry virtually everything. The problem was recognizing that condition.

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2004, 09:07:36 AM »

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Charlest, want your opinion on this. Would you then say that there is no such thing as "bad" ball? Even if it means trying a couple of patterns or adjusting the surface as necessary? Don't you think you could find or encounter a condition where that ball will work? Thanks....
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

Rick,

As far as I am concerned, the "bad" balls are the ones that appear to be useful for a limited range of oil patterns or release/delivery types AND those that do not change much when surface or drillings are changed. And those may be great in their limited use, whatever that might be.

As we have seen from the many comments here on different balls, everyone, absolutlely everyone finds at least one ball they love. Often it is one of the least popular balls. Remember many posters are very vociferous in the praise or condemnation of certain balls. That does not make that ball any better or any worse. We don't know that these poster represent the average user of that ball.
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Edited on 10/5/2004 8:59 AM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2004, 10:45:33 AM »

There are bad matchups of great balls to bowlers.

For example no way could I get a Vortex 2 solid to work well for me on most conditions! Very low rg coupled with my soft speed lots of axis rotation, and very little tilt just ate the thing up.

Red Fuze was similar till I polished to 2500!

Of course both balls had low top weight compounding the problem.

IN general I see bad matchups for others with too much surface and slow speed and little axis rotation. Or a strong ball drilled real strong on what the user thinks is oil ...but it's not!

Or a weak ball drilled weak for a low rev bowler. In general this is how one turns good balls into pieces of paper weight or boat anchors!

Extreme specs either strong or weak. Coupled with real strong drillings on strong or real weak drillings on weak and one doesn't have the speed or revs to get the ball to either turn, or to retain energy.

In general when I follow a formula of drilling strong stuff weaker, weak stuff stronger(I also know the range of pin positions that typically work for my amount of revs, super strong players can go even weaker). And moderating surfaces. Roughing up 3000 grit pearls, polishing heavy load particles I then get balls that cover a large range of medium oily to medium dry conditions! Also purchasing medium top weights helps me get reactions, faster players don't need this!

Then I'm happy.

REgards,

Luckylefty

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