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bennett

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I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« on: September 16, 2003, 07:17:08 PM »
I dropped out of 2 bowling leagues already.  The reason:  No oil laid down.  Last month I spent good money on new bowling balls.  Anxious to use them I joined 3 bowling leagues.  To my disappointment I couldn’t use any of these new balls due to the house not putting any oil down or a very light coat of oil.  I was forced to use my plastic ball just to have a chance to get my ball to the one three pocket last night.  

I have yet to hit my average in overall series.  The mixed league is the only league so far with some oil down.  Still, I couldn’t believe the lack of oil in that league despite seeing the machine laying it down just before the league.

Is this a common trend in your area where centers are putting either no oil or little down?  If so, then I won’t be bowling too much longer.  I will just do open bowling from time to time for the fun of it.  I refuse to pay $17/week for bone dry or even moderate dry conditions.  This will kill the sport if this continues.  Not everybody throws the ball 20 mph!!
I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

 

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2003, 10:24:18 AM »
think about this:

you are not paying $ 17.00 to bowl. your are probably paying a buck or so for the center to keep stats

and 8 or 9 buck towards prize funds and officers fees.

so you are paying 8 dollars to bowl and donating to other peoples wallets with the rest. now don't you feel better!
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2003, 10:39:13 AM »
You’re the kind of person that kills leagues.

You committed to bowl the season be true to your word and complete this year. If you don’t like it then don’t come back next year but don’t leave your team looking for another member.

And you never know conditions may change.

Also why do people buy balls and then expect the condition to match up to their new equipment? If you hadn’t bowled in these leagues before then you had no idea what to expect.

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2003, 10:43:15 AM »
PinBuster...exactly......

At least scope out the conditions and purchase appropriate equipment to adjust with on them.

I hate bowling on dirt but I went out of my way to use a high RG/low DIF ball to stay in the league.
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2003, 11:11:55 AM »
Bowling doesn't need him.  If it wasn't the shot he was whining about it would be something else.

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2003, 11:34:43 AM »
Pinbuster,

You make me laugh.  Rather than answer a question, you’ve decided to attack the messenger.  You could of just answered the question.  Yes we have oil or no they are also bone dry.  FYI, I bought a variety of bowling balls for various conditions (heavy oil, medium, dry lanes with a variety of drillings).  You imply that I bought equipment and I expected them to match up.  Yes, I did because I bought 7 balls to fit a variety of conditions, so I can come pretty close to matching up.  Guess what?  I can only use my plastic ball.  If you can’t see my legitimate complaint then you must have your head in the sand.  I’m talking about conditions so dry that my plastic ball is hooking like mad.  Since I don’t throw the ball 20 mph to keep my plastic ball on line I’m basically going to have an average 30–40 pins below last year’s average.  Do you think this is fun after spending $900 in bowling balls?  This has been going on for 3 weeks and the only bowlers that do half way decent are the high backswing bowlers that throw it 20mph. As far as leaving teammates hanging that isn’t my fault.  So don’t blame for being upset that I can’t use $900 worth of  equipment.   Do these centers think bowlers enjoy bowling on bone dry conditions so dry that you’re struggling to hit 30 pins below average?  The condition (which is none) is so crappy that 200 average bowlers are struggling to hit in the 500 series range in one of the leagues.  The high series so far is 605.  Who wants this?  

Urethane Game,

How do you come to that conclusion when my complaint is legitimate?  I had no problems when I bowled on a league with oil.  I could throw my normal speed with a reactive resin ball and get results.  Was the pattern the same every week?  No, but I can find a playable line if there is some oil down.  I have nothing to work with when the lanes are dry. All I'm asking is that the center lay some oil down so I don't have to learn how to throw the ball 20 mph, risk throwing my shoulder out, risk knee injuries and God knows what else.

Edited on 9/17/2003 11:46 AM
I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 11:37:01 AM »
Bennett, the league killer (that's your new name, by the way)
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2003, 11:57:05 AM »
While I can certainly sympathize with your situation, maybe you're looking at the situation all wrong.  Bowl ONLY in that house all year, and take that 160-170 avg to tournaments and clean house baby!  Then your $900 investment may pay for itself - after all, if you're honestly trying and can't do any better, it's technically NOT SANDBAGGING, right?  JK guys, don't kill me!  I hate sandbaggers as much as anybody!

Leaving the league though, hmmm. I personally would stay this season and look at it as a challenge.  Actually, I'm bowling in a house this year that caters to the fluffers by putting no oil outside board 10 (maybe exaggerated, maybe not, I can't tell that there's any out there though) and absolutely flying backends.  I have avg. 191-195 there in the past, but have not shot 700 in that house.  Therefore, 700 is my goal this year - and it will be even sweeter to do it with my pearl urethane since most everyone else uses some form of hook monster.  While my style doesn't match up well to these conditions, it is very challenging - besides, I bowl in 2 other houses, so hopefully the variety of conditions and lane materials will help me improve my game.  Good Luck!

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2003, 12:02:17 PM »
Oil is put on the lane to protect the surface NOT to improve your scores.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, friction is friction.  If you've got bone dry conditions then your plastic is an effective weapon.  I'm not sure how long you've been bowling but we had this thing in the 80's called short oil.  Try scoring on 15 feet of head oil.

Save your new toys for other houses and tournaments or sell them on this board.

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2003, 12:06:31 PM »
While I am not the best bowler, I do enjoy tough conditions. I need to learn everything I can.  Don't complain about it, learn to enjoy it!!

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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2003, 12:34:30 PM »
Wow, you guys are pretty rough...

Bennett, did you ask the guys who oil the lanes what the deal is?  Are they aware that the lanes are bone dry, are they doing it intentionally?

If the remaining league you're in has oil, then it makes sense to ask why the others don't.  The house I bowl in puts out the same shot for everybody, because it's the easiest thing for them to do.

The only league they change the program for is the Thursday morning senior ladies league, because they complain that there's too much oil.  Most of them are using balls that are older than King and Hamster's ages combined.

Rather than quit, why not get together as many people as you can from these two leagues, and approach the management together, insisting on better conditions (in your case, that means oil).  Since you're probably a good customer, you might also enlist the help of the pro shop owner.

Contrary to popular opinion, most houses want to keep their good customers happy.
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2003, 01:20:03 PM »
I have to agree Dry lanes is a conditions that we all face you adjust like the rest of us do. Crying about it makes you an unpopular person. We had a problem two years ago in our one house with really dry conditions after lane 8 or 9, so we asked and they told us they had a problem with the oiling machine and it was going to have to be fixed. I didn't whine after that or before i made adjustments and went on. suck it up and live with it!
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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2003, 01:30:30 PM »
Bennett,

While I don't condone quitting a league after 2 sessions, I copletely understand how you feel. I joined what is or was supposed to be THE premium league across 2 counties here in western NJ. I bowled on the other side of the house from them last year and while we had horrendous conditions, if you could even call it that, they had 3-5 honor scores EVERY NIGHT!

The first two league nights had very dry the first night, when all Summer, after the lanes were completely stripped and re-surfaced in May of last season, the lanes had medium to medium-light nice, even oil. The 2nd night I brought my Barrage, my weakest, longest resin ball. By the 3rd game I was standing on 40 board, heaving it inside the 4th arrow out to, desperately trying to get it out to the 5 board, succedding only sometimes.

Next week, I bring urethane and an old mild ball that I just put a 5000 grit Storm Diamond polish high gloss shine on.

I will also be talking to the league secretary and the assistant manager about the lane oil!


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Re: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2003, 01:50:37 PM »
Bennett,

 looks like a thread gone angry. let's get back to a more positive note.

tell us your bowling specs:
speed
revs
axis
tilt
which hand
Average

also what balls do you have there layouts.


describe each league better. when are the oiled? how much play is on them? Surface. where do other people line up and what are they throwing.


there is a fair chance that you have to many revs for speed. I had this problem. I still shoot under avg on dry but not that much anymore. a few pins instead of a dozen or more.

Please reply with the info above and you probably come close to someone here in style and reaction and maybe they can help you.

You may want to start a new thread and ask for help then you will get answers instead of beatings
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Edited on 9/17/2003 2:01 PM
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