Author Topic: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues (Read 10592 times)

bennett · « **on:** September 16, 2003, 07:17:08 PM »

I dropped out of 2 bowling leagues already. The reason: No oil laid down. Last month I spent good money on new bowling balls. Anxious to use them I joined 3 bowling leagues. To my disappointment I couldnâ€™t use any of these new balls due to the house not putting any oil down or a very light coat of oil. I was forced to use my plastic ball just to have a chance to get my ball to the one three pocket last night.

I have yet to hit my average in overall series. The mixed league is the only league so far with some oil down. Still, I couldnâ€™t believe the lack of oil in that league despite seeing the machine laying it down just before the league.

Is this a common trend in your area where centers are putting either no oil or little down? If so, then I wonâ€™t be bowling too much longer. I will just do open bowling from time to time for the fun of it. I refuse to pay $17/week for bone dry or even moderate dry conditions. This will kill the sport if this continues. Not everybody throws the ball 20 mph!!

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #46 on:** September 17, 2003, 05:46:00 PM »

Yes they put down oil, but not the same each week. My 6 PM league is anywhere from light to moderately heavy oil. So far, my 9PM league has been light to dry and I love it. Yes, I have to keep the speed up on the ball, but I am averaging over 200 for the 1st 2 weeks...Just ask any BOTBC member

You think you've got it bad. About a month and a half ago the machine messed up and instead of oiling the lane, it was stripping the lanes. The 6PM league was dying trying to keep the ball in the pocket. Most were using plastic. It would have been a riot to see a 9PM league after them. They didn't figure out what happened until mid way through the league session

As for quitting the league because you didn't like the shot, not something I would have done. I would consider it a valuable learning league. If you plan to bowl tournaments, you never know what the conditions will be like. Just my opinion, but then I'm a lefty who likes the dry

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Bruce · « **Reply #47 on:** September 17, 2003, 06:03:58 PM »

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Bottom line is learn to adjust and stop complaining.
Here we have a 180 average bowler, who's only been bowling for 3 years, making statements to guys who've been bowling for over 30 yrs and averaging 200+ for most of those 30 yrs.
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I love bowling on tough conditions because I know that if I can master the tough conditions it will make me that much better on other conditions.

This is a prime example of how new bowlers are getting brain washed, by bowlers who THINK they know something about the game of bowling. =:^D

Hey T-God how am I being brain washed? I'm just stating the obvious. You obviously think he is a good bowler just because he has been bowling for 30 years and has high average. Like stated before averages don't mean a damn thing. As for bowling for 30yrs...well so what. Anyone can do something for 30yrs and still not be the best at it. Obviously he isn't that good because he can't adjust. I've been lurking on this site since the eteamz days and I know that you are a very good and knowledgeable bowler and I would think that you of all people would know that...adjusting is the name of the game.

I never said I was an expert(or even a good bowler), that I would bowl good on these conditions, or even that it is easy to adjust. But at least I am man enough to admit that I may not be as good as I thought I was instead of just tucking my tail between my legs, quitting, and then going home to cry about it.

Bruce

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T-GOD · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2003, 02:35:11 AM »

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if you can't adjust then you probably aren't as good as you think you are.

Bruce, if you knew anything about bowling, you'd know that the laneman can screw you to the point of no return. At the flip of a button, he can make any pro average 180..!! There is no adjusting to that.

You're not good enough yet or have bowled enough, to know how lane conditions effect scores/your game. So, who are you to tell someone better than you to learn to adjust..? There is a point of no return. You must take a stand at some point.

I'm the one who's been bowing for over 30 years. So, when some newbie says to learn to adjust, I take it personal. =:^D

bennett · « **Reply #49 on:** September 18, 2003, 08:58:19 AM »

Bruce,

I have to agree with T-God. I don't consider myself an elite bowler, but I have averaged as high as 230 on a house shot.

I've had 300's and 800 series. But so what? The statement of not being able to adjust certainly shows me a thing or two. I've seen Parker Bohn average as low as 179 in a pro tournament. He is an elite bowler. So are you going to say that he isn't any good because he can't adjust? Just look around at some of the scores on the pba qualifying (figure out the averages over 24 game spread sometime) and you'll see some lower averages (well under 200).

Yes, I have bowled on a sport condition so don't ask. It is difficult to adjust on those conditions unless you have a lot of experience and even then you still may not bowl well. I averaged 176 on bone dry conditions. It was a condition that I never bowl on during leagues. It was so dry my plastic ball was hooking like mad. I didn't see too many strikes the whole night. What does that tell you? I guess we are all bad bowlers because we can't adjust....

For others. Yes, I have bowled in other houses and I'm used to oil. I usually bowled in the morning or first shift (sometimes second shift, but there was still plenty of oil). I wanted to try other houses just to try something different. I was expecting oil laid down because every league I got into at least had some oil. My original question in this thread wasn't an attempt to get heated arguments started, but rather ask if this is a trend in your area. I ask because I've noticed the lanes were dry when I bowled on Colorado when I visited my brother and they were dry when I visted Florida when on vacation. I can see I never got my question answered. I can only assume that if big numbers are still being shot, then chances are good you're not bowling on bone dry conditions. Instead most of you are probably bowling with oil laid down and I get slammed because I'm bowling on bone dry conditions.

In addition, I get called stupid for buying good equipment, that a center should cater to one person (not even mentioning that I'm supporting bowling by purchasing this equipment). That's news to me. Asking for a resonable amount of oil is catering to one bowler...lol. Just about every good bowler I know that has hand LOVES OIL. Typically, only the beginners LIKE DRY because in most cases it negates the skill level of the higher average bowler and then they can compete.

So, next time you wonder why bowling is losing members just reflect on this thread and see the treatment you give other bowlers when they have a legitimate complaint. But then again, what do I know. I've only been bowling for 30 years....

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T-GOD · « **Reply #50 on:** September 18, 2003, 09:16:52 AM »

Bennett, I'm glad you agree with me, because I'm trying to stick up for you..!! =:^D

Bruce · « **Reply #51 on:** September 18, 2003, 10:51:48 AM »

Hey T-God, who the hell are you to say what I do an do not know about bowling. You don't know anything about me or what I know. Just because I haven't been bowling since the time dinosaurs were around doesn't mean I don't know how lane conditions effect your score. I've bowled on conditions like Bennett is talking about and yes I bowled bad on them. My point was that scoring big is not everything. On bad condition no one is going to score big. I just don't like it when people turn tail and run when things are not just the way they like it and leave teammates hanging.

Anyway, I guess in a way I can see where you guys are coming from. Paying good money to bowl on that extreme of a condition would probably make me complain and not come back after I finished out the year. If anything, that condition is terrible for bowling balls...all that friction makes everything track out really quickly. I'm surprised the owner would let the lanes get that bad because being that dry is not good for the lanes either. Any money he is trying to save by not putting out oil is just going to end up having to be used to re-surface the burned out lanes.

Bruce

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #52 on:** September 18, 2003, 11:45:01 AM »

I'll try to get to the original point ..

Since I came to NC 4 years ago I bowled mostly in SENIOR leagues. YES they put LITTLE or NO oil down for the leagues. I've noted it here many times and had ONE logical answer that I've accepted .. that is .. MOST SENIORS USE OLD BALLS .. OIL CAUSES THOSE BALLS TO CAUSE JAMS AND CONSTANT ATTENTION .. THEREFORE LESS OIL IS USED .. that to me sounds logical so I accept it. SENIORS always get DRY lanes.

This year I've switched to (what I'll refer to as) ADULT/MIXED LEAGUES. The allies ALWAYS have oil. My average has jumped from 192 to 206 .. I haven't changed a thing .. HOWEVER THERE IS OIL .. I'm bowling 2 ADULT leagues and the average is 206 in both .. I continued in 2 SENIOR leagues the average is 192 .. what is the difference .. OIL!
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omegabowler · « **Reply #53 on:** September 18, 2003, 12:03:04 PM »

all this talk of dry lanes is making my thirsty

Bennett,
Stay on one league and buy a lane 1 XXXL. You would be able to deliver the definitive word on the lane 1 core. It is a plastic ball.
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Black_Balled · « **Reply #54 on:** September 18, 2003, 05:06:26 PM »

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bamaster · « **Reply #55 on:** September 18, 2003, 06:09:28 PM »

I didin't read every post in this thread so if I am repeating someone's thoughts, sorry.

I quit bowling leagues for the last three years because all I bowled were scratch leagues and was tired of all the complaining from these so-proclaimed scratch-caliber bowlers. Last year a buddy of mine asked if would bowl a league with him and I said, what the heck, why not. It was a scratch league in a house I haven't been to in a long time. Well, here I thought I was a talented PBA bowler and was going to whack 'em.

The lanes were erratic and dry. If you didn't dump it down the 5 board like most of the bowlers did, you had to start it in real deep. Since I have a problem with equipment hooking to much as it is, I was on 5th arrow during practice. I hated the shot. I drilled up a Dyno-thane Crisis and Dyno-thane Barrage just for that house. I finished the league with a 206.

I don't know what bennett bowls like or why he thinks his only option is plastic, but I was able to move in real deep with weak resin and still average over 200 on what I considered a difficult shot. Maybe his new equipment was made for heavy oil? I dunno. Personally, I agree that it's frustrating. But I also think that a competitor would find the challenge in it and learn a B game or C game to make his league night enjoyable. I would at least think it would help my spare game.

Just my personal opinion and it's not meant to offend anyone.

Tony Melendez
http://www.allBowling.com

charlest · « **Reply #56 on:** September 18, 2003, 07:17:55 PM »

BENNETT,

Except for a very few players who do understand bowling, I'm afraid you have a lot of people commenting here with zero empathy and zero TRUE understanding.

AGAIN, while I do not condone quitting after 2 weeks, I empathize and sympathize with your situation.

You have the ability to lock this topic and I think you should because except for few people like basmaster and bones, the feedback you have gotten is not useful as far as I can see.

I suggest you air your views strongly and immediately to the managers of these dumps, you call bowling centers and explain why you are or have quit. Without knowing why, they will assume nothing.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #57 on:** September 18, 2003, 07:59:28 PM »

I think you have a VERY controversial topic here .. to lock it out for comments would be VERY SHORT MINDED .. let the topic go until PEOPLE EXHAUST THEMSELVES .. then it will shut down by it self! Getting peoples thoughts is what a forum is about.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #58 on:** September 18, 2003, 08:12:36 PM »

CHARLEST .. Just for clarification .. you mention advise from BONES that was GOOD .. would you PLEASE point out the date/time of these comments .. I'm going crazy trying to find them! I'm sure I'm passing them by and I'd like to read them! Thanks!
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charlest · « **Reply #59 on:** September 18, 2003, 08:49:19 PM »

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I think you have a VERY controversial topic here .. to lock it out for comments would be VERY SHORT MINDED .. let the topic go until PEOPLE EXHAUST THEMSELVES .. then it will shut down by it self! Getting peoples thoughts is what a forum is about.
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Joe,

I am surprised at you. He has got nothing but grief from too many holier-than-thou people who have more than likely been in close to the same shoes, but whose egos will not allow them to admit it publicly. It is not a matter of a hard condition but of no condition and, for a 3rd time, while I do not condone quitting, I empathize 100% with Bennett's feelings in this matter.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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TOON · « **Reply #60 on:** September 19, 2003, 12:29:55 AM »

Sounds to me like another primadonna, spoiled by a "bumper bowling for adults" shot found a house with the ball$ to put down a legal (possibly dry) shot. ADJUST man!!!!!! As a center owner, LOTS of things colud be wrong. Did they get a new lane machine? maybe they have not worked out the bugs!! Did they change lane finishes? That makes a HUGE difference in how much oil is needed. Is there someone different running the machine? Maybe they did not check the oil level in the machine. Did you bowl at this center last year? Different owners? Like I said, I own a center and the more oil that is put on the lanes, the harder it is to keep the place clean and the balls coming back. Quit crying and ADJUST either you or your equiptment!!!!!!!
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