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PBA Player's Average
« on: May 05, 2004, 10:47:08 PM »
Some of you may not recall an earlier thread (it dealt with lower than usual averages in a particular house), I thought I bowled poorly averaging 209.  To my surprise I found only 1 guy that averaged 220+ in the whole house.  Right away it was mentioned by many people on this board that the talent pool was bad in this particular house.  Bowling in the greater Detroit area I know this simply can't be the case.  Just about every house around here has it's share of good bowlers because we have so many bowlers here unlike many other states.  Well after digging around, I found out that a PBA bowler (one who bowled in the past world open) averaged 212 in this house that I hit a 209 average (no doubt I could have hit around 215 if I was a bit stronger on my spares).  So, while the house isn't what is called a brick house, it isn't a high scoring house and that is what my point was.  

The truth is that I really didn't bowl as bad as I thought I did.  Changing equipment to get myself lined back up seemed to be something I did where others didn't.  I think this is why I think I outaveraged everybody by a good 10-15 pins on the league.
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Edited on 5/6/2004 1:39 PM

Edited on 5/6/2004 1:40 PM
I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

 

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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2004, 08:39:07 PM »
I think you're missing the point here No Fear.  The point is that we need to change the conditions from stand left throw right (or vice versa for lefties) to something that will actually challenge bowlers. This will indeed have consequences... some of which will force bowlers to make a choice. But how do we justify people having 17 300's and 13 800's in a single season.  Im sorry, but where is the gratification with that?

I had the opportunity last year to witness something i never thought i would. Steve Kryvy was bowling in a local sport league, and while steve had a decent amount of 300's before (if i recall right about 12). But when he got lined up and shot his 300 on sport... It was like the first one all over again. Isnt that what we all strive for anyways? To have that feeling all over again, that immense sense of accomplishment? How can we achieve this if we are shooting 17 300's in a single season.  They tend to lose their effect. I can relate to this and i only have 5 in my youth career.

Furthermore, The conditions are more difficult than you think. Granted, those who know how to play them will score.  Good for them, they deserve to score if they paid attention to events past. And the shots dont get easier the more you bowl on them, YOU GET BETTER!  And this is the main point im trying to drive home here... its not that they are smarter, its that they're so much better than you think. Tom Baker shot 521 for his two games at the Worlds this year, and i was there to watch him do it.  It wasnt that he knew how to play them, he was just that much better at that point in time. However, my heart will always be with Mika.  He throws Ebonite.

So in retrospect... why wouldnt you want to get better? I would love to average 220 on the PBA conditions. I think at that point in time, i would consider myself an accomplished bowler. Afterall, thats what we should all strive for; personal greatness.
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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2004, 03:43:09 AM »
Part of the problem is that anybody who hold's a PBA card is treated like they are great. Just because a person has a PBA card doesn't mean he's good. Hell some people get thier cards just so they can get equipment at a cheaper cost and they never even bowl a regional. The word "pro" implies that you do something to make a living. How many people bowl for a living on the regional tour to make a living that don't bowl the the nationals for a living.

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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2004, 05:39:56 AM »
I'm not convinced that bowling high in leagues means nothing.

It is a particular skill.

Just like if they opened up the pro tour fairways in golf (they average about 35 yards, move them to 50 yards!.  John daly would win everything.  He's long somewhat wild and has a great short game.  He is a lot like the powerful house bowler.  

I have talked a couple of times about the guy in our house who has had quite a few 800s and 300s this year.  His speed and revs is a talent and his ability to carry is a talent and his speed also creates hold area for him on this highly reactive wet dry pattern all a certain set of talents.

In the same league we have a bowler averaging about 10 lower just under 220.
He has the perfect game for all the patterns(maybe a tougher time on pattern B).  Think Dave Davis on the right!
He can stretch the ball to the breakpoint with real good speed and extension, can use particles on patterns where the heads are dryer than when other bowlers have to put them up  and then get the advantage of less overunder at the back!

This guy in his second regional showed up unprepared, (unapproved wrist brace) and had to bowl without one for first time in several years.  Still hung around in 6th place for a while.  He will be a very effective senior regional player an maybe compete well on the senior national tour.

Will he outaverage the above bowler Mr. 800 - 300 on the house shot above, no!
Will Mr. 800 300 on our league shots outaverage him on a PBA pattern,(I don't think so).
Who's better?  Where?

Why do we demean the power bowler today!  (ps, I'm not one).

In golf it would be that we would only admire golfers who are good at the US open or on 20 yard fairways.  Right now in pro bowling the only game in town is total accuracy and breakpoint control.  Power in general is out!

Good for the game???  ????

I know many an observer of bowling that misses some of the more powerful releases!

I love to watch the guy in my league throw an 800!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS there seems to be a disdain by high power bowlers for themselves any more.
Ie who wants to have 17 300s in a season!?  I would!  Just like Blondes want to be Brunettes and Brunettes want to be blond.  I notice the league stars are all complaining about there accomplishments.  Now everyone wants to be Mika or Walter Ray.
PPS Thank god Golf is smart enough to put out different patterns(courses).
Courses for the bomber and courses tighter for the straighty!  Of course just like Bowling the courses are becoming both tighter AND Longer.


Edited on 5/7/2004 5:36 AM
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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2004, 09:04:30 AM »
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being a "PBA Player" doesnt mean anything except that you can avg 200 on a house shot for a couple years.

Many MANY house bowlers are just as good or better then HALF of the PBA Card Holders.


Thanks for the laugh! It's really unfortunate that so many people actually believe this. League average comparrison on the house shot or the "sport" shot don't mean a thing. Granted the sport shot is much tougher. The truth about the PBA patterns that has not been mentioned is that you must change pairs after each game. This almost always leads to a pair that is 100% different due to how the prior bowlers were playing them and breaking them down. The PBA patterns are in a constant state of transition too. Anyone who can hit the shot at a regional or National is a great player.

I'm currently 20th in average in my Thursday night league, 1st on Wednesday. Funny thing though, I don't sense the "I'm better than the PBA player" attitude around there like some posters around here, and even some fans at PBA events.

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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2004, 01:37:12 PM »
I was waiting for an "active" PBA member to reply to this.
Before I threw in my 2 cents.
There are plenty of reasons to become a PBA member.
But to just have your card and never bowl in a regional event is probably the worst one of all.
Because by saying you're a member also means that you are willing to "shoe" up and bowl on more demanding conditions.
Standing deep and swinging to the gutter will get you one thing at a PBA event.

"No Respect"

But learning how to adjust your armswing,hand position and ball speed will help you improve your game in the long run. This should improve your score potential by keeping the ball in play better.
How many "good" THS bowler who average 220+ go to ABC Nationals come back after shooting 1500-1600 in all events and say the lanes SUCK.
Maybe they should look in the mirror and then repeat what they just said about themselves.

So until you "shoe" up with the big boys do us a favor and "zip it".


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Re: PBA Player's Average
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2004, 12:50:21 AM »
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I'm not convinced that bowling high in leagues means nothing.  It is a particular skill....Why do we demean the power bowler today!


High-averaged league bowlers are not all "power" bowlers and not all successful pros are "non-power" bowlers.  Sure, taking advantage of an easy shot is a separate skill, but to me, it is something like taking advantage of a drunk date.

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Hell some people get thier cards just so they can get equipment at a cheaper cost and they never even bowl a regional.


A case of sad-but-true.  There are several such "pros" in this area.  Some of them have never even been to a PBA event as a spectator, let alone participated.  I wish the PBA would enforce its minimum entry requirements, but it is trying to grow the regional programs, so do not expect these typs of "pros" to go away anytime soon.

Something else that has not been mentioned as of yet: the difference between the regional pros and the touring pros.  People have been heard saying that "yeah, say Walter Ray throw 210 on TV today.  Heck, I'm better than him, I averaged 220 this year."  Ok, I can and do agree that there are house bowlers out there who are potentially better than some of the regional pros, but going from being a good house bowler to a good regional pro is a big step.  Going from being a good regional pro to being a top touring pro is an even bigger step.  If you think Walter Ray (or any of the nationally touring pros) is not capable of absolutely tearing up a house shot, take a look at his late-round scores and average from the Odor Eaters Open this past year in Tucson.  *sheeyah* you're better than Walter Ray in your wettest dream.  Take your 241 house average and go buy yourself some tissues to clean yourself up junior.

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