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mumzie

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I found this quote on another thread...
« on: April 18, 2008, 01:54:14 AM »
and rather than hijack the womens collegiate bowling thread, I thought I'd start a new one.

The comment was
 
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Some of the girls were rather large which would definitely cut down on accuracy.
 


I personally am offended by this remark...
I'm 'rather large' - and the biggest flaw in my game IS my accuracy. I'm too accurate for today's game. And - admittedly - if I were narrower, I'd have more boards available to move, but as far as I know, that's the only issue.

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 09:58:24 AM »
Mumzie dont be offended by a jerk making a comment.  I am with you on the large side I am 6'1" and I am 300 bills.  Size has nothing to do with accuracy.  Being large is not a hinderance in bowling with the exception of large blocks and stamina and the wear and tear on your knee.  Most of the "better" bowlers in my area are on the large side.

Take a look at the anchor for UMES she is large but her form is a thing of beauty.  She is very accurate and a very talented bowler.  SIZE DONT MADDER!!!

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 10:05:58 AM »
I am confused....what does one mean when they say they are TOO Accurate for today's game?  Area is to be taken advantage of with a strong release!

As a bowler who is "medium" I have vacilated between great accuracy at rare times to NONE!  It has all had to do with a lack of coordination and timing(probably mostly timing).

I have seen my "area" and carry go up when my release is better.  I have seen my "area" and carry go down when my release is worse.

On sport conditions I have seen great carry due to often dramatic back ends provided but of course this was ONLY when I could hit my mark with consistent projection and speed.

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PS there is some disagreement regarding ideal body types and bowling accuracy and timing provided at one time by Bill Taylor.  Suppossedly I believe the perfect body was in the past Dave Davis or now Parker Bohn.  Narrow hips, wide shoulders, long legs, large hands.  These thoughts today may not be as politically correct as when they were first provided by Bill Taylor.
PPS Mumzie if you are accurate though....I believe you big, small, or perfect according to Bill Taylor I know and have heard of the quality of your bowling.


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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 10:11:50 AM »
It may sound mean, but I honestly would think an overweight person would have some trouble getting their body out of the way of their armswing compared to a thin person.  I think that's what the original thought was of whoever posted that comment.

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 10:16:10 AM »
I am a bigger person 6' 300lbs most of the time. I got up to 350 for awhile and was having issues having to go out and around my gut with the ball. When im 300 its just fine and i can go straight back with my armswing.  So yes i would say it can affect your accurancy but you have to be on the very high side of being overweight.  So yes dans statement is right but you really have to be BIG.

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 10:22:50 AM »
I am confused....what does one mean when they say they are TOO Accurate for today's game?  Area is to be taken advantage of with a strong release!

As a bowler who is "medium" I have vacilated between great accuracy at rare times to NONE!  It has all had to do with a lack of coordination and timing(probably mostly timing).

I have seen my "area" and carry go up when my release is better.  I have seen my "area" and carry go down when my release is worse.

On sport conditions I have seen great carry due to often dramatic back ends provided but of course this was ONLY when I could hit my mark with consistent projection and speed.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS there is some disagreement regarding ideal body types and bowling accuracy and timing provided at one time by Bill Taylor.  Suppossedly I believe the perfect body was in the past Dave Davis or now Parker Bohn.  Narrow hips, wide shoulders, long legs, large hands.  These thoughts today may not be as politically correct as when they were first provided by Bill Taylor.
PPS Mumzie if you are accurate though....I believe you big, small, or perfect according to Bill Taylor I know and have heard of the quality of your bowling.


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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 10:23:28 AM »
I disagree I see very small people having issues going around thier bodies and bringing there swing out of alignment.  It has more to do with where you start the ball.  If it is directly in front of you it has no choice but to go around you.  I start with the ball on my right hip so it is more straight back and straight thru.

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 10:30:58 AM »
As a bowler who has been large and small.(6ft 165lb to 6ft 235lb) being large effects the arm swing, but not neccassarly accuracy. I am more accurate now at 215,220 than i was at 165 but my arm swing is a little different and my release has changed pap use to be 5.5x0 now 4.5x1 give or take. I think weight can change your game but not hurt it. Physical fitness will make you a better bowler because of strength, stamina and flexibility but not guarranty accuracy.
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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 12:53:02 PM »
mumzie no such this as to accurate, if you think that then their is something wrong somewhere else, release, Ball speed, backswing, axis tilt, or rotation the last varying upon the first but you can't be to accurate.

I wish I could say that was my issue!!
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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 06:28:44 PM »
LL, TOO Accurate for today's game means she is very precise on hitting her target/breakpoint and in todays THS world, that is not rewarded.  On today's THS the bowler who sprays the lanes or hooks the ball across the whole lane is usually the one getting the carry.  The stand left and throw right crowd benefits more on the THS.
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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 06:54:45 PM »
The other thing about being "too accurate" is that with todays bowling balls they break the shot down quicker than the people that spray the whole lane. I remember being told at a brunswick seminar that throwbot has never shot 300 because it breaks the shot down so quick with its accuracy that the ball goes high before 1 game is completed..
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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 09:54:42 PM »
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TOO Accurate for today's game means she is very precise on hitting her target/breakpoint and in todays THS world, that is not rewarded


BINGO! DING! DING! DING! You get the prize!!!!

I can hit the target day in and day out. That's great - because at the end of the day, accuracy is it's own reward. If I'm practicing.
If I'm bowling for score, "it's not how - it's how many" - and that's where the accuracy can hurt. In other words, I don't get away with anything (or not much, anyway!)

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 09:59:07 PM »
Too accurate ????  That's the craziest thing I have heard yet.
I don't care how easy the patterns are, the more accurate you are, the better you can score.

Sorry, but I have to call BS on this theory.


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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 10:11:27 AM »
Accuracy means lack of carry?

A good friend of mine used to take great pride in his accuracy at the arrows!  He would do EVERYTHING to hit his mark.  He hardly ever misses spares and was averaging about 219!

We got him to focus on his release, leverage position at the line, softer speed to result in more entry angle at the pins and last we checked he was at 239!  He is now less accurate at the arrows but scoring higher.

A paradox in many peoples minds.

But some people GET it!

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Re: I found this quote on another thread...
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 10:42:59 AM »
Being too accurate can definitely be a bad thing, at least in the THS aspect.  Myself and another guy I bowl with were among the most accurate people in our league, able to hit our marks with impunity, but we were always leaving 10-pins because for whatever reason we weren't carrying.  We were able to average over 200 because we can pick up our spares, but on first shots we would hit and leave a 10, sometimes a 7, on a flush pocket hit; while in the next lane over some guy who basically picks up the ball, stands way left, drifts half a lane, throws it right and has one of the worst forms ever is carrying everything.

There is one thing about being accurate that has an advantage over the people who just get up there and wing it right with high speed and revs, and that is that when we hit a certain way we know exactly why and exactly how to fix it.  Also, if we're observant enough we can see how the pins fell and relate it to how the ball hit.  Granted, those of us who rely on accuracy also can at any point in time start stringing strikes once we find the right line, whereas the flingers are basically relying on the dry boards to funnel them back, luck and pin action.

As for the weight thing, being too large or too small can definitely cause problems in the approach and armswing.  Too large and you have to go around yourself which means you're arm is sort of swinging more around instead of straight.  To small and you have to use more of your body to get the leverage needed.  There really is no "perfect" bowling body because everyone has different styles and their body type usually matches that style.  There is the health factor, but that has more to do with preventing injury and being able to keep going without getting so tired so quickly than it does with anything else.
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