Post by: mumzie on April 18, 2008, 01:54:14 AM
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Some of the girls were rather large which would definitely cut down on accuracy.
I personally am offended by this remark...
I'm 'rather large' - and the biggest flaw in my game IS my accuracy. I'm too accurate for today's game. And - admittedly - if I were narrower, I'd have more boards available to move, but as far as I know, that's the only issue.
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Post by: Phoneman on April 18, 2008, 09:58:24 AM
Take a look at the anchor for UMES she is large but her form is a thing of beauty. She is very accurate and a very talented bowler. SIZE DONT MADDER!!!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 18, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
As a bowler who is "medium" I have vacilated between great accuracy at rare times to NONE! It has all had to do with a lack of coordination and timing(probably mostly timing).
I have seen my "area" and carry go up when my release is better. I have seen my "area" and carry go down when my release is worse.
On sport conditions I have seen great carry due to often dramatic back ends provided but of course this was ONLY when I could hit my mark with consistent projection and speed.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS there is some disagreement regarding ideal body types and bowling accuracy and timing provided at one time by Bill Taylor. Suppossedly I believe the perfect body was in the past Dave Davis or now Parker Bohn. Narrow hips, wide shoulders, long legs, large hands. These thoughts today may not be as politically correct as when they were first provided by Bill Taylor.
PPS Mumzie if you are accurate though....I believe you big, small, or perfect according to Bill Taylor I know and have heard of the quality of your bowling.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on April 18, 2008, 10:11:50 AM
Post by: OHBowler on April 18, 2008, 10:16:10 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 18, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
As a bowler who is "medium" I have vacilated between great accuracy at rare times to NONE! It has all had to do with a lack of coordination and timing(probably mostly timing).
I have seen my "area" and carry go up when my release is better. I have seen my "area" and carry go down when my release is worse.
On sport conditions I have seen great carry due to often dramatic back ends provided but of course this was ONLY when I could hit my mark with consistent projection and speed.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS there is some disagreement regarding ideal body types and bowling accuracy and timing provided at one time by Bill Taylor. Suppossedly I believe the perfect body was in the past Dave Davis or now Parker Bohn. Narrow hips, wide shoulders, long legs, large hands. These thoughts today may not be as politically correct as when they were first provided by Bill Taylor.
PPS Mumzie if you are accurate though....I believe you big, small, or perfect according to Bill Taylor I know and have heard of the quality of your bowling.
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Post by: Phoneman on April 18, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
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Post by: mainzer on April 18, 2008, 12:53:02 PM
I wish I could say that was my issue!!
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Post by: stormed1 on April 18, 2008, 06:54:45 PM
Post by: mumzie on April 18, 2008, 09:54:42 PM
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TOO Accurate for today's game means she is very precise on hitting her target/breakpoint and in todays THS world, that is not rewarded
BINGO! DING! DING! DING! You get the prize!!!!
I can hit the target day in and day out. That's great - because at the end of the day, accuracy is it's own reward. If I'm practicing.
If I'm bowling for score, "it's not how - it's how many" - and that's where the accuracy can hurt. In other words, I don't get away with anything (or not much, anyway!)
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Post by: Skizriz on April 18, 2008, 09:59:07 PM
I don't care how easy the patterns are, the more accurate you are, the better you can score.
Sorry, but I have to call BS on this theory.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 24, 2008, 10:11:27 AM
A good friend of mine used to take great pride in his accuracy at the arrows! He would do EVERYTHING to hit his mark. He hardly ever misses spares and was averaging about 219!
We got him to focus on his release, leverage position at the line, softer speed to result in more entry angle at the pins and last we checked he was at 239! He is now less accurate at the arrows but scoring higher.
A paradox in many peoples minds.
But some people GET it!
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Post by: Timotheus on April 24, 2008, 10:42:59 AM
There is one thing about being accurate that has an advantage over the people who just get up there and wing it right with high speed and revs, and that is that when we hit a certain way we know exactly why and exactly how to fix it. Also, if we're observant enough we can see how the pins fell and relate it to how the ball hit. Granted, those of us who rely on accuracy also can at any point in time start stringing strikes once we find the right line, whereas the flingers are basically relying on the dry boards to funnel them back, luck and pin action.
As for the weight thing, being too large or too small can definitely cause problems in the approach and armswing. Too large and you have to go around yourself which means you're arm is sort of swinging more around instead of straight. To small and you have to use more of your body to get the leverage needed. There really is no "perfect" bowling body because everyone has different styles and their body type usually matches that style. There is the health factor, but that has more to do with preventing injury and being able to keep going without getting so tired so quickly than it does with anything else.
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Post by: DukeHarding on April 24, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
I'm sure you're not as large as my teammate (http://"http://homepage.mac.com/dukeharding/.Pictures/Bowling/1976OKCITY.jpg") .
He weighed in at 400-500 lbs...Never would tell us.
I never saw him bowl with his feet right of 35th board...that was when he was targeting at about 12 board...straight up.
He was deadly accurate, was a scratch golfer, but could only average in the 180s.
He was limited by the width of the bowling lane. I think if the lane was 5 feet wide he would have averaged well over 200. His span was 6-7/8".
I don't think size affects accuracy...I know size affected my friend's knees, though...cut his bowling career short...a
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Post by: livespive on April 24, 2008, 10:54:25 AM
It's all about the Mold that everyone wants you in.
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Post by: mainzer on April 24, 2008, 10:56:46 AM
Thong Pricess, The players that stand left and throw right DO NOT always carry better I see much better carry when playing right and straighter than left swinging it and bringing it.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on April 24, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
quote:If you can actually adjust to get better entry angle, plus increase your power and revs a little while still maintaining that level of accuracy, you would carry just as well as, if not better than, the spray-and-pray guy.
Being too accurate can definitely be a bad thing, at least in the THS aspect. Myself and another guy I bowl with were among the most accurate people in our league, able to hit our marks with impunity, but we were always leaving 10-pins because for whatever reason we weren't carrying. We were able to average over 200 because we can pick up our spares, but on first shots we would hit and leave a 10, sometimes a 7, on a flush pocket hit; while in the next lane over some guy who basically picks up the ball, stands way left, drifts half a lane, throws it right and has one of the worst forms ever is carrying everything.
Accuracy on a THS has nothing whatsoever to do with your carry percentage. Your entry angle and the ball speed/rev rate combination are the defining factors of whether or not you leave a 10 pin. Sacrificing power for accuracy or vise versa is going to result in either lots of corner pins but always in the pocket, or lots of strikes but designer splits and so forth when you do miss the pocket. If you can combine a more powerful release with good accuracy and complement it with the right ball selection and play the lanes correctly, you'll carry the world on a house shot AND be in the pocket consistently. See how many different variables fall into that equation?
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 24, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
Throwing with his powerful no thumb release....on a bouncy and seemingly harsh chameleon pattern that many of us(like all!) struggled to break 200 on.....
Richie shot what....815? By splicing boards up the 4 board with a pin on axis drilled clear XXXL!
As was commented on accurately by Ron C....even if the rest of us had thrown that accurately...(we can't) we would not have carried like Richie because we don't have that powerful release he has!
I believe the reason for lower scoring is something lacking in the let go! Freedom, flat spot, speed, and ball weight combined with a moderate amount of accuracy on a top hat, or a lot on a sport shot seem to lead to lots of pins being mowed down!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I particularly made this post for ThongPrincess who got to see this demo also! It was amazing a great combination of powerful release AND accuracy!
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Post by: another300 on April 24, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
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Too accurate ???? That's the craziest thing I have heard yet.
I don't care how easy the patterns are, the more accurate you are, the better you can score.
Sorry, but I have to call BS on this theory.
I know exactly what mumzie is talking about and LL hit on it also. Too accurate is hitting your mark but not swinging enough boards or having a strong enough release to bring that ball back and create area and pin action. I have been "adapting" to THS conditions and have laxed on my accuracy for more swing and more revs. My average has gone up 8-10 pins since i have started doing this.
Post by: Madiballz23 on April 24, 2008, 02:20:56 PM
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Too accurate ???? That's the craziest thing I have heard yet.
I don't care how easy the patterns are, the more accurate you are, the better you can score.
Sorry, but I have to call BS on this theory.
I know exactly what mumzie is talking about and LL hit on it also. Too accurate is hitting your mark but not swinging enough boards or having a strong enough release to bring that ball back and create area and pin action. I have been "adapting" to THS conditions and have laxed on my accuracy for more swing and more revs. My average has gone up 8-10 pins since i have started doing this.
Thats not "too accurate" Thats hitting the intended mark again and again when that mark is WRONG. If you are very accurate and that leads to the lanes changing, then you need to learn to "stay ahead" of it by saying, ok, I know the lanes are going to change, maybe I will move a half board every 4th frame on that particular lane. Being accurate and even deadly accurate doesn't mean anything if your intended target is the wrong one.
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Post by: Skizriz on April 24, 2008, 09:01:57 PM
I'd probably pee my pants if I ever heard them say it.I bowled on a tough heavy long oil pattern a few weeks back. In our group there we a few different styles of bowlers. Everything from the crank it up and let it fly, to the smoothe strokers. I fit into the latter group.
The power crankers had an easier time, and they weren't the most accurate bowlers I have seen, far from it actually. They had enough rotation to swing the ball out and get back to the pocket.
Us strokers basically had to send the ball straight down into the pocket, and get whatever pin action we could hope for.
Now what hurt us strokers.?? Were we too accurate, is that why we got beat ???
Or was it our lack of power to get the ball to swing ???
What would happen if somebody could put the revs that the crankers were putting on their balls, and hit the same mark shot after shot ??? Would that accuracy hurt them ????
Saying you lost because you are too accurate is just an excuse for losing. PERIOD !! It's nothing more than you making the same BAD shot over and over.Your accuracy isn't the problem, it's a lack of adjustment.
That's all for now. I'm going out to play Walter Ray for some dough. As accurate as he is, and as bad as I am, I should make a fortune...
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Post by: another300 on April 25, 2008, 10:38:08 AM
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I would love to hear somebody use that excuse for losing sometime. "I lost because I was too accurate" I'd probably pee my pants if I ever heard them say it.
I bowled on a tough heavy long oil pattern a few weeks back. In our group there we a few different styles of bowlers. Everything from the crank it up and let it fly, to the smoothe strokers. I fit into the latter group.
The power crankers had an easier time, and they weren't the most accurate bowlers I have seen, far from it actually. They had enough rotation to swing the ball out and get back to the pocket.
Us strokers basically had to send the ball straight down into the pocket, and get whatever pin action we could hope for.
Now what hurt us strokers.?? Were we too accurate, is that why we got beat ???
Or was it our lack of power to get the ball to swing ???
What would happen if somebody could put the revs that the crankers were putting on their balls, and hit the same mark shot after shot ??? Would that accuracy hurt them ????
Saying you lost because you are too accurate is just an excuse for losing. PERIOD !! It's nothing more than you making the same BAD shot over and over.Your accuracy isn't the problem, it's a lack of adjustment.
That's all for now. I'm going out to play Walter Ray for some dough. As accurate as he is, and as bad as I am, I should make a fortune...
You really are a retard aren't you?! You and a few others just don't get it.
THS conditions DO NOT play the same as Sport and PBA conditions. Playing Sport and PBA conditions force you to be more accurate. Lets look at WRW, he is very accurate but when the lane conditions open up a but for the crankers. He usually gets beat because of carry. How many single pin, good pocket hits has WRW left? TONS!!! He is damn accurate.
THS conditions require rev's and speed. Sit back and watch one of these high rev fast speed bowlers one of these days. One shot will go over 15 board at the arrows out to the 5 and hit the pocket for a strike. Next shot will be 20 out to 10 and hit the pocket for a strike. Another will be 14 out to 2 and come back for a strike. 20 to 6 come back hit light and throw pins everywhere for a strike.
Then you have the less rev's, less speed but accurate bowler(not accurate like WRW). Accurate for us NON pro's is 1-2 boards. Less rev's is going to play around 10 out to 6 or 5. Will use mumzie since she posted this. Mumzie throws and hits her mark at arrows but doesn't swing out to 5 board, instead hits 7 board. Theres more oil so it skids a little, hits the pocket but leaves a 10 pin. Another non strike but good throw, she hits the 9 board at arrows goes out to 5 board goes high flush but leaves the 4 pin.
You yourself said that the strokers(including yourself) had a hard time, were more accurate than the crankers, yet you got beat.
I don't think anyone on here was using being too accurate as an excuse for getting beat.
Conditions nowadays reward the high rev faster speed bowler
Do you understand now what is meant by too accurate on THS conditions or do I have to draw you a picture?
Post by: Dan Belcher on April 25, 2008, 10:47:04 AM
(And even then, the highest averages in all of my leagues this year came from tweeners. They are the accurate, medium rev rate, medium speed bowlers who stay in the pocket and can adjust well to generate carry. Sure the spray-and-pray guys might throw higher games sometimes, but they also make up for it with their lower games when the lanes transition, etc.)
Post by: nd300 on April 25, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
Read Skizriz's profile-----a 176 average???????Maybe HE needs to work on accuracy.I'd put my money on mumzie if they were to bowl head to head.This person has no idea of what accuracy means yet.Maybe he should have kept bowling with the ball he retired and spent the money that he did on buying the Cell on lessons and practice time instead.
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on April 25, 2008, 11:01:06 AM
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I disagree I see very small people having issues going around thier bodies and bringing there swing out of alignment. It has more to do with where you start the ball. If it is directly in front of you it has no choice but to go around you. I start with the ball on my right hip so it is more straight back and straight thru.
Phoneman is correct! Being a large guy myself, I have to face right and hold the ball off to my right to align and clear the hip. Shooting spares on my left, I obviously 'square up'. Where you start the ball dictates the path your armswing will take. This more so with a larger torso.
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Post by: Steven on April 25, 2008, 11:25:08 AM
However, I do agree with Dan's assessment on accuracy:
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So in other words, there is no such thing as "too accurate." There IS such a thing as "too low speed/too low revs." Those are two totally different things. Increasing rev rate generally makes it harder to be accurate, yes, but just because you have power does not necessarily mean you're not accurate. Therefore, trying to say that you are too accurate for a house shot just makes no sense.
The premise that the 'spray and pray' bowler dominate the THS shots simply isn't true. Heck, I'm an older 'medium revs' guy who booked 230+ the past two years, and it's based on accuracy. If I was 'more accurate', I'm sure I could get it closer to 240. The bottom line is that you can't be too accurate for a house shot. If you're extremely accurate and not getting the job done, i that more to do with angle of entry, speed vs. revs, etc.
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Post by: Pinbuster on April 25, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
The Sport shot does not punish a powerful release, however it does reward superior accuracy more than it punishes a weaker release.
In a perfect world you have both, accuracy and a clean, loose, powerful release.
If you sacrifice a clean, loose, powerful release to gain accuracy then the THS could reduce your carry and score. But it is not that you are too accurate but that your release and or lane play may not let you take full advantage of the shot.
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 25, 2008, 11:48:38 AM
I just was watching top hat oriented bowlers vs straighties OR guys using too weak equipment yesterday.
The top hat guys in general have revs, like 350 and 16 mph speed, axis rotation a good flat spot, or are no thumbers.
Two of em put on a clinic for us yesterday of how to open up a lane.
One a no thumber, and one a old fashion grip 350 rev bowler with forward pitch in the fingers and reverse in the thumb and lots of right lateral which his hand calls for. Both have nice level flat spots, good speed at the pins, moderate loft, good axis rotation and a fairly open hand release!
Both could throw about from 17 to 13 and strike or they could throw from 14 to 7 and strike and everywhere INBETWEEN! It was sweet to watch. Pulls got stuck in the crown and from 13 to wider struck. Pushes came back from the friction.
Those with less revs, less axis rotation, less revs, shorter deliveries, lower flare balls etc were forced to go straight up the boards, with about 2 boards of area at their breakpoint to score.
The area creators above shot high 6s that could have been easy low 7s.
My belief. Once you can get to that spot inside with your feet to where you have enough hold to strike you are now an area creator and have mastered a fun skill to bowl on your local top hat, and not to have to be forced to be a complainor who does not enjoy it as much as the above!!
I believe this skill is one to have but also is not one that ensures any success at Nationals or other more accuracy defined venues. At these sites often the harsh backend supplied by the condition can give the less dynamic release all the hitting power he/she needs!
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PS I'm starting to get into about 1/2 the area of the above which is making it more fun.....and is coming from an attention to release sequenceing(ie thumb/finger), flat spot enhancemnt, attempts at more arm swing freedom and speed. 1 step drills emphasizing a good flat spot and arm freedom have helped in the past and seem to help a little now!
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Post by: Skizriz on April 25, 2008, 12:06:40 PM
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So in other words, there is no such thing as "too accurate." There IS such a thing as "too low speed/too low revs." Those are two totally different things. Increasing rev rate generally makes it harder to be accurate, yes, but just because you have power does not necessarily mean you're not accurate. Therefore, trying to say that you are too accurate for a house shot just makes no sense. Saying you're not overpowering the lanes and the pins, however, does.
(And even then, the highest averages in all of my leagues this year came from tweeners. They are the accurate, medium rev rate, medium speed bowlers who stay in the pocket and can adjust well to generate carry. Sure the spray-and-pray guys might throw higher games sometimes, but they also make up for it with their lower games when the lanes transition, etc.)
At least somebody agrees with my "retarded" view.
Hitting your exact mark every throw, and leaving pin after pin, isn't being too accurate.
It's not being able to adjust to what you need to do to get strikes.
How does your superior accuracy prevent you from moving deep and swinging the ball cross lane like the pray and spray crankers do ???
Better accuracy leads to better scores period. It doesn't matter what oil pattern you are playing on.
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Post by: Skizriz on April 25, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
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You really are a retard aren't you?! You and a few others just don't get it.
THS conditions DO NOT play the same as Sport and PBA conditions. Playing Sport and PBA conditions force you to be more accurate. Lets look at WRW, he is very accurate but when the lane conditions open up a but for the crankers. He usually gets beat because of carry. How many single pin, good pocket hits has WRW left? TONS!!! He is damn accurate
Answer me this.
What hurts WRW in the situation, his dead eye accuracy......or his inability to open up the lane by cranking it up on a deep line ?????
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Post by: nd300 on April 25, 2008, 12:30:24 PM
Again,you're sticking your foot in your mouth.I'd take WRW and his dead eye accuracy any day against you.WHen you can beat him,the you can comment on him supposedly not being able to open up the lanes.He's won 40 plus titles,and close to the same number of second place finishes.
As to leaving pins on accurate shots,there is more to just an accurate shot.You must have good speed,a clean release,and be playing the lanes correctly with the right equipment.It might be that mumzie needs a re-assessment of her equipment in the area of surface adjustment,pin placement,and ball/core choice.
Of course,you and your 176 average wouldn't know much about that,would you??Much less entry and exit angle.
Read her profile.When YOU get to be Rookie of the Year on the tour that you compete in,then come back and tell us about accuracy.Until then,try practicing.
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Post by: Skizriz on April 25, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
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THS conditions require rev's and speed. Sit back and watch one of these high rev fast speed bowlers one of these days. One shot will go over 15 board at the arrows out to the 5 and hit the pocket for a strike. Next shot will be 20 out to 10 and hit the pocket for a strike. Another will be 14 out to 2 and come back for a strike. 20 to 6 come back hit light and throw pins everywhere for a strike.
Then you have the less rev's, less speed but accurate bowler(not accurate like WRW). Accurate for us NON pro's is 1-2 boards. Less rev's is going to play around 10 out to 6 or 5. Will use mumzie since she posted this. Mumzie throws and hits her mark at arrows but doesn't swing out to 5 board, instead hits 7 board. Theres more oil so it skids a little, hits the pocket but leaves a 10 pin. Another non strike but good throw, she hits the 9 board at arrows goes out to 5 board goes high flush but leaves the 4 pin.
Another very fine example.
Is it Mumzie being too accurate that is causing her to leave pins when the others with speed and revs (and inaccuracy) are striking ???
Or is it her lack of speed and revs needed on a THS that are hurting her.???
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Post by: Skizriz on April 25, 2008, 12:52:40 PM
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I'd take WRW and his dead eye accuracy any day against you.WHen you can beat him,the you can comment on him supposedly not being able to open up the lanes.
Here's the quote from MVAS800 not me.
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Lets look at WRW, he is very accurate but when the lane conditions open up a but for the crankers. He usually gets beat because of carry. How many single pin, good pocket hits has WRW left? TONS!!! He is damn accurate.
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You must have good speed,a clean release,and be playing the lanes correctly with the right equipment.It might be that mumzie needs a re-assessment of her equipment in the area of surface adjustment,pin placement,and ball/core choice.
Bingo !!!! The problem may not be that she is too accurate, but needs to make adjustments elsewhere.
I Have no doubt that either Mumzie or WRW would clean my clock in a heartbeat.
If you thought my suggestion about playing WRW for money was anything but pure sarcasm, then ..well...
I just keep reading contradictions about being too accurate, then in the same post you list the real reason for the problem, and the solution.
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Post by: mumzie on April 25, 2008, 02:02:34 PM
Although the original topic of the thread has wandered a bit, reading everyone's responses has caused me to think of the "accuracy" thing a little differently.
So... I guess my challenges arise from the following:
My ability to hit my intended target is probably overshadowing subtle "feel" adjustments to compensate for lack of speed, agility, and quality of release.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 25, 2008, 04:05:14 PM
If one ever saw Dave Davis throw one would think there is an advantage to narrow hips, wider shoulders and long arms and legs! WOW!
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on April 26, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 26, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
Richie Sposato who proved to ME and I believe others that he is both Powerful and accurate says it correctly I believe.
"There should be a reward for a good(read....powerful) release"
I am in agreement with this!
I am spending much of my time trying to make my release more dynamic.....note I differentiate this task from one where one tries to become a cranker.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I have listed the items above that I believe increase striking power in comparison to another bowler who hits the pocket just as often.....but less powerfully!
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Post by: Skizriz on April 26, 2008, 02:26:48 PM
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One can hit their mark all day and it CAN be the right mark but others with a more dynamic ball roll may carry better. EVEN with less accuracy!
Agree 100% I was just trying to make the point that it's not the accuracy that hurts you, but the lack of power(or other things) when needed.
****Notice I said when needed *****
Being accutate is the foundation that all other aspects of the game is built upon.That's why the advice to new bowlers is always practice untill you have the muscle memory to repeat the motion over and over, like a machine. Not learn how to crank the snot out of a ball, and you will consistantly score high.
Now back to the original subject.
What effect do you think it would have if somebody was smaller on top, and had the extra weight down low in the hip and rear area. Lower center of gravity and better balance ????
Compared to somebody like me who isn't big all over, but now has a party ball where my six pack abs used to be. Would my center of gravity will be much higher leading to balance issues.???
Or do you think it doesn't make much of a difference ???
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 27, 2008, 08:06:37 AM
But seriously folks!
Besides a dynamic release.....
Those who can go inside on a crowned top hat have now created a tug area where they can be more inaccurate and still hit the pocket.
Recently I went to bowl in a top hat league and one of the top bowlers decided the condition was too....jumpy. He decided to use a three piece core plastic ball. Playing up the 6 board he could get nothing! No carry no area nothing.
Two mediocre 170 180 games. Finally he switched to the Track Money(old beater) and had the world. Standing 32 or so targeting 17 at the arrows I think he shot 257 or 268. His ball could hit 12 to 5 at the breakpoint and strike(good level dynamic release).
He put that ball away and I have not seen it the rest of the year in league....Thank God!
WHY NOT?
REgards,
Luckylefty
Point being...starting ones ball somewhere near the center of a steep crown can allow one to be more inaccurate and take advantage of the top hat!
I think every bowler who bowls in a crown league should aim to take advantage of this beautiful situation provided to lead to high scoring! As above Money ball was put into action ....a thing of beauty to watch(glad he only did for one game as I was matched up against him)!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..