win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: I got a new ball.  (Read 3814 times)

CountryClubBowler

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 181
I got a new ball.
« on: February 26, 2004, 10:21:15 PM »
Two nights ago I made a new bowling ball.  That's right.  Made it.  I took my freak out (the one I've repeatedly said was dead) and gave it some serious TLC.  (last ditch effort before throwing the thing over a bridge) Adult swim was on, so while family guy, futurama, witch hunter robin, and...justice league (?) were on I used my mother's oven to bake up the ball.  I put it in there at 150 for 30 mins on a piece of foil.  Took it out (it was covered in oil btw) and wiped it down with orange clean.  Back in at 160 for another 30, wiped it down the same.  It was dripping oil at this point btw. Back in at 160 for 30 and wiped it down.  I took it to the lanes yesterday.  The thing is alive.  It is scary how alive it is.  It now out hooks my nugget and black cherry bomb.  I don't even know if I want to throw anything else.  it is not just sheer hook, but recovery late down the lane that has come back.  I mean before, the thing just wouldn't move any boards.  Now, it is like a new ball.  It is better than I have ever had it before.  

I put it back in the oven last night to try to get the rest of the oil out.  After the first 30 mins (bringing the total to 2 hours btw) there was still some oil.  Back in it went, this time just a few small beads came out, which in my opinion signifies that the ball is pretty much dry.   I am really happy that I picked this up on this board.  I think it was hamster that described this process of oil extraction, but I'm not exactly sure.  I do know I read it on this board.  I had previoulsly tried to just put it in the oven for 1 session, in the sun, clean and dull.  Nothing worked like the treatment I just gave it.  

CCB

--------------------
I bowl at country club bowl...not a very inventive name now is it.

 

TheBowlingKid25

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6133
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2004, 03:11:59 PM »
you can bake a 15 pound ham cant you?
--------------------
15 years and still going strong! 15 years old that is! The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
AM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.

CountryClubBowler

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 181
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2004, 03:32:28 PM »
I didn't take the grips or the thumb sleeve out.  160 really isn't all that hot. I took the ball right from the oven to the living room to clean with no pot holders.  It was only slightly warm to the touch.  And, the core was still cold, based on the temp at the bottom of the thumb hole.  


--------------------
I bowl at country club bowl...not a very inventive name now is it.

BowlingDude300

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 909
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2004, 11:10:23 AM »
I read a magizine article on baking balls. It said that is was bad on the ball. That it leads to cracking and etc.. I would like to try it, but knowing my luck my ball would break.

Moe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 648
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2004, 12:11:12 PM »
My GF's dad does this with all his balls, and he has been doing it for years.  He has 2 sanctioned 300 games, and carries an average of 220... i dont think he would steer me wrong when he says "put your ball in the oven, and get all the oil out."  

Just the other night i took my ball in the shower with me, set it on the can.  Took a hot shower and used a "sauna" technique to get some oil out, ball strted sweating and oil started beading up.  I dont think its as effective as putting the ball in the oven but it got a good deal of oil out of the ball.

Edited on 2/28/2004 1:08 PM

omegabowler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2004, 12:31:15 PM »
what about sun baking the the ball?

put it in a clear plastic container and let it go for a few hours.

I make great sun tea that way
--------------------
"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny

LeftE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 525
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2004, 12:45:17 PM »
Bowling Dude I think I read the same exact article in some Quartley piece of crap magazine the ABC gives you.

That article should, which was very poorly written, should be titled "Advertisement for Ebonites Hook Again"

Case in point, first they claim that baking the ball could remove "chemicals from the coverstock which give resin balls thier hooking ability." Chemicals? They mean plasticizers.

Then in the next paragraph,"Hook again safely removes the plasticizers that has built up in the surface of the ball. Ebonite believes the chemical migrates to the surface because of the constant compression...." or something along those lines...

But the funny this is, in one paragraph you don't want to bake plasticizers out, but in the next paragraph you certianitly want to Ebonite the plasticizers out.

Re read the article and you will laugh.

I have bake 6 balls (at about 130-150 degrees) and have ALWAYS had dramatic results.

I back in a cookie sheet covered with a towel for 15 minute intervals, wiping down with a degreaser.

BowlingDude300

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 909
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2004, 12:53:33 PM »
LOL, I read it again. Did sound a little like an advertisement to me. But, I have a few questions about the whole baking thing. I have an ebonite optyx spider, that i would like to try it on. Thumb slug, grips, and tape in thumb. Do i need to remove any?? So i put the ball it at aropund a 130 to 150 for short interbvals. Take it out wipe it off with what?? then repeat until no oil comes out? Are you sure this wont msishape the coverstock??? Someone please help me. Thanks. Kyle

Ernie McCracken

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1127
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2004, 12:58:46 PM »
As I post this, I have a ball in the oven right now.  Do I keep the fingers and thumb down?  I'm baking at 160 for 30 minutes at a time.  The oil is just pouring out of the ball.  I'm simply amazed!!!!  The ball is an old, 300+ game Ebonite Matrix Trimax that was sitting in the closet collecting dust.  I did take the tape out of the thumb, but left the grips and slug in.  I'll be back to post more about my first baking job later in the day.

BowlingDude300

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 909
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2004, 01:48:17 PM »
LOL, I read it again. Did sound a little like an advertisement to me. But, I have a few questions about the whole baking thing. I have an ebonite optyx spider, that i would like to try it on. Thumb slug, grips, and tape in thumb. Do i need to remove any?? So i put the ball it at aropund a 130 to 150 for short interbvals. Take it out wipe it off with what?? then repeat until no oil comes out? Are you sure this wont msishape the coverstock??? Someone please help me. Thanks. Kyle

Ernie McCracken

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1127
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2004, 02:14:48 PM »
quote:
The lowest setting on my oven is 170.  Is that an ok temp?  I'm about to try it on my old Scout/R for 15 min.  Will i destroy it?


You'll be fine at 170.  I had mine set at 160 to start and turned it up to 175 with no worries.

Ernie McCracken

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1127
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2004, 02:28:29 PM »
Okay.  My Matrix is done baking now and all I can say is WOW!!!  Even after I resurface and rub a ball down with Simple Green/alcohol the ball doesn't feel this good!  This old Matrix is soooo tacky that I can innerlock my fingers on both hands and basicall palm the ball.  I'm amazed at the results.  Maybe there's something to be said about baking a bowling ball.

Triple X

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 276
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2004, 03:05:45 PM »
Here's one of the post in brunswick website about ball baking on their bowling balls: Read on!

Baking at home?

Prolonging the life and bringing back the reaction of

Reactive and Particle Coverstock balls.

Brunswick is currently in the first phase of testing to document changes in ball reaction with use, and has come to the following conclusions and recommendations that match up well with the conventional wisdom circulating in the bowling community.  Our results to date include:

Both Particle and Reactive coverstock balls lose some of their hooking action with use.
 
This effect occurs faster with High-Load Particle coverstocks than Reactive coverstocks.
 
The primary reason for the change in ball reaction is the absorption of oil into the coverstock.
 
Brunswick’s PowrKoil™ coverstock balls can be rejuvenated, to a “like new” condition by using the oil removal ovens found in some ProShops.
 
Recommendations

Rejuvenate High-Load Particle balls every 30-50 games.
Rejuvenate Reactive coverstock balls every 60-80 games.
Brunswick anticipates that Low-Load Particle balls will behave similar as Reactive coverstock balls, but our testing to date hasn’t included Low-Load Particle coverstocks.
 
Since Brunswick has identified oil absorption as the primary cause of “reduced ball reaction with use” it makes sense to use techniques that reduce oil absorption.

Wipe oil from the surface of the ball between shots.
 
Use a ball cleaner to remove oil from the surface of the ball after bowling.
 
Why the change in ball reaction

The absorption of oil changes the physical properties of the coverstock.  When new, your Brunswick ball has a coverstock free from oil contamination.  With use the coverstock becomes “Coverstock + Oil”.  This new, oil soaked coverstock has diminished ability to traction through oil and create friction with the lane and diminished ability to respond aggressively to the dry boards on the lane.  Using the baking process to remove the oil from the coverstock returns your Brunswick ball to its original condition.  

Included below is a detailed description of the testing Brunswick has performed to date.

Test Setup

We created three pairs of bowling balls for our test:

Two shiny Raging Red Fuze® Reactive coverstock balls
Two 320-grit dull Raging Red Fuze Reactive coverstock balls
Two 320-grit dull Fuze Detonatorâ„¢ High-Load Particle coverstocks balls
 
Each pair of bowling balls was tested and identical ball reaction was confirmed for both balls in each of the three 2-ball pairs.  One ball from each pair was put aside as a control ball, the other becoming the test ball.  We then started accumulating games on the test balls, 1-2 hours a day, 3-4 days a week.  

We checked the test balls against the control balls every 30 games on 38 foot and 50 foot smoothly blended 3/1 oil patterns laid down on both synthetic and wood lanes.

30 games – No change, both Reactive and High-Load Particle test and control ball reacted identically.

60 games – Little or no change in the Reactive coverstock balls.  The High-Load Particle coverstock balls showed slightly reduced hooking action both in the mid-lane and on the back-ends requiring a 1 and 0, or a 2 and 1 move to the outside to be lined up to strike compared to the control ball.  

90 games– Both the Reactive and High-Load particle coverstocks showed reduced hooking action in the mid-lane and on the back-ends requiring a 2 and 1, or a 3 and 1 move to the outside to be lined up to strike compared to the control ball.  

At this point in the test we had documented reduced ball reaction with all the test balls.  Our next step was to use the available techniques that offered some hope of restoring the test balls back to their original reaction characteristics.

Clean with a ball cleaner: No change in the reaction of the test balls compared to the control balls.  

Light resurfacing:  1-2 minutes with sand paper and a ball spinner.  Surface finish was returned to beginning of test condition.  No change in the reaction of the test balls compared to the control balls.  

Machine resurfacing:  Test balls were resurfaced with a Haas machine (25 minutes with diamond cutters):  Surface finish was returned to beginning of test condition.  The first 3-5 shots looked promising, but once a little oil was worked into the surface there was no change in the reaction of the test balls compared to the control balls.  

Pro Shop oil removal oven:  Test balls were baked in the “Rejuvenator” oil removal oven.  Oil was wiped from the surface of the ball every 10-15 minutes using ball cleaner and paper towels.  Six cycles of oil removal were required before the test balls stopped sweating out oil.  After this procedure the reaction of the test balls was identical to the reaction of the control balls.

Non Issue: Brunswick’s oven testing has included brand new, unused bowling balls from all three of Brunswick’s major coverstock families including PowrKoilâ„¢, N’Controlâ„¢ and Activatorâ„¢.  In each case we have not seen any evidence of the “Bleeding Reactive Resin out of the coverstock” issue that occasionally appears on internet message boards and post competition problem solving sessions.

The removal of oil from the test balls coverstock was by far the most effective method for rejuvenating the reaction of the test balls, and in fact completely restored the test ball reaction to their original “Like New” hooking action.

At this point in the test we put the control balls away and started accumulating additional games on the test balls.  The test balls were checked against the control balls at 30 & 60 & 90 games with results similar to the first cycle.

At 90 games since the first rejuvenation, 180 games total, we made our second attempt to bring back the reaction of the test balls.   With our second attempt we went directly to the oil removal process, baking the test balls using the oil removal oven.  The results were the same.  The reaction of the test balls was completely rejuvenated to a “Like New” ball reaction.  

We are currently accumulating additional games on the test balls on our way to a third rejuvenation cycle.

Baking & Durability

Brunswick is currently conducting a separate test on the effects of baking and coverstock durability.  This test involves creating unbaked control balls and baked test balls, all with zero games, which are being tested in Brunswick’s durability testing lab.

At this time Brunswick gives a conditional approval, subject to change based on the results of ongoing testing, to baking Brunswick bowling balls using the Rejuvenator ovens found in some Pro Shops.  Our test balls have 180 games on them, have been baked twice and show no sign of coverstock cracking.

Summary

After 180 games and two bakings our test balls react identically to the control balls that have less than 10 games on them.  The oil removal baking process appears to rejuvenate the ball reaction of oil soaked bowling balls.  

Our testing to date has been with PowrKoilâ„¢ family Reactive and High-Load Particle coverstocks.  We anticipate similar results with the N’Controlâ„¢ and Activatorâ„¢ coverstocks families, but no testing has been done at this time.  We will report back to BTM the results of future testing as it becomes available.

The “Rejuvenator” oil removal oven was the method used to extract oil.  Other methods may also work.  Brunswick has no opinion on other methods at this time.    

Readers of BTM should be aware that Brunswick’s results are not necessarily applicable to the coverstocks from other companies and that differences in opinion between bowling ball manufactures may simply be due to the fact that we all use different coverstock materials.  In reading and “absorbing” the information published on this subject Brunswick encourages BTM readers not to try and decide which company has the correct answers, but accept the advice given by each company as the best advice for their products.

Bill Wasserberger
Director of Research and Development
Brunswick Bowling Consumer Products  

--------------------
Thanks,

Triple X

Ernie McCracken

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1127
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2004, 03:49:52 PM »
Thanks for the post Triple X.  Good reading.
--------------------


Evolutionary.  Revolutionary.

DonSVO

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 608
Re: I got a new ball.
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2004, 04:34:46 PM »
stock a thermometer in your trunk on a texas summer day. the temps in my black mustang would come to about 140ish degrees, without fail. if my ball can stand an hour of that, it can stand 30 minutes in the oven.

i have had some damn good luck with a blow dryer and a towel with Liquid nitro on it. my balls all get the "treatment" once a month.
--------------------
i don't care who makes it, how much it costs, or how sexy the ball looks. can i carry the 7 and level the deck with a $60 ball?

bring on the Lefty uprising!