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We doth protest to much.
« on: January 24, 2005, 12:40:46 AM »
You see a lot of post on this (and others) site of the older bowlers complaining that the “flingers” have too much room, that the balance between power and accuracy has moved to much towards power, and that the new balls have given these “chuckers” too much power and room.

You also see posts from the younger set that they hate the old “dump it in the dry with 3 rev’s” bowlers, that the strong balls have given too much power to these weak release types, and that their high rev styles are being punished by the wet/dry conditions.

Well boo hoo cry me a river, to both sides!! I guess the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Current conditions and balls have made scoring easier for all styles. Some styles have benefited more than others, some may have been created to fit the new conditions, but all have benefited.

While I wish the USBC would do some things to control the scoring explosion, return a better balance between power and accuracy, and make scoring conditions similar from house to house, but until they do take what has been put in front of you and score as high as possible on the condition(s) at hand.

 

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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 12:20:56 PM »
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Is anyone else finding this happening because of this new wave of super balls?

I don't know if it's because of the balls, but at Port Jeff Bowl, there appear to be two well-defined paths to high scores.

One is to stand left, rev it up, and bang it off the gutter.  Unless you miss it at the bottom, it seems almost impossible to throw it in the gutter.  Like PBA pattern E, most of your mistakes will be getting it to the outside too early.

The other one, which favors the no-rev strokers, is the shot off the corner.  I watch guys with robo-braces dump the ball onto the lane outside 5, with the hand held in a certain, fixed position, to impart axis tilt.  You would swear that some of these balls have missile guidance systems in them.

The guys who swing it, but can't crank it up, seem stuck in the middle.  I'm not saying we split boards or anything, but we don't seem to have the area that the two other styles have.

Oh, well.  I can't boom it, so I guess I'd better strap on the robo-brace, and learn that shot off the corner...
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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 12:38:10 PM »
I’m pretty much a hack, house shot, tweener.

But I’m bowling in one house that while all styles have been scoring, I have been killing them.

Every style can have its day and as long as there is oil in the middle and dry to the outside any style should be able to score high. It just might be a little easier for one style of the other.

Like Bob Hanson stated every style is a niche style now. If you don’t match up well then you are not going to win, you might cash, but winning is problematic.  

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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 12:59:20 PM »
Speaking for myslf, I'm somewhere in between. It's been a slow process for me over my 31 years of bowling; I am finally a par/scratch bowler on most patterns, and pride myself on executing a quality shot, learning, understand, and wisely applying my accrued knowledge to make good evaluations of the condition ... I then matching my game and arsenal to attack consistently and aggressively. I'm a power stroker that can roll any line out there ... I keep the ball in play, keep my splits down, and cover my spares. I have no problem with any sytle out there that works for you ... whether a hi-rev cranker, stroker, tweener or a fluffer on the twig; if you love this game as I do, and are willing to use the knowledge gained and balls that are made available to us, you're a bowler. I that I ask is that you stay a bit humble, give cridit where credit is due, and please ... NO WHINING !!!
Just my 2 cents ... rant complete.
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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2005, 01:43:36 PM »
This needs more input ... TTT

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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 02:00:19 PM »
LT: You hit the bullseye:

 
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I'm currently in a situation at the two centers that I bowl at where the tweener players are stuggling with consistancy. It would appear that you either have to have a ton of hand or very little so I would disagree with you that scoring is "easier for all styles".
 


Excessive wet/dry's are a form of tweener hell; it's too dry outside of 10 unless you throw 20+ mph, and the middles are an oil slick that would put the Exxon Valdez disaster to shame.

I'm not complaining, because it's a skill challenge to effectively play the oil line and stay with it as it migrates left. There are just times when it's excessively brutal....
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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 02:39:28 PM »
Its amazing the short sightedness of the vast members of this board. While I agree that today bowling is such and yesterday was different and tomorow will be again different, how does this help this sport? IF bowling continues to change and scores get even higher... what will this sport become? Already it is more about technology then skill. What this sport needs is integrity which is not the most techonogical ball available. Need we forget the warnings of BT in the 60's (which have come to frutition) and the stand of PBA bowler Brian Voss not to mention all the best coaches in the world? Is this sport destined to become everyone shooting 300 and averaging 250 in the next 5 years? Is that what we want? I personally dont care what the skill is required to achieve some level... but making technology the cause of scoring is not a sport. I am sorry, lets make super bouncy shoes and leave the basketball goal at 10 feet... everyone can leap 20 ft in the air and see what happens to basketball. Lets make golf balls that fly with homing devices 500 yards... This is sport has just been made to stupid easy and the igornace of this board to recognize this fact is beyond my belief. This is no a sport.. its nothing more than a hobby a past time, and that is why it cant get into the olympics... because it is a joke as it is. You can either accept the way it is and call if for what it is.. or you can strive to make a change for the better (and maybe that is not so good for you or me) but this sport is dead and dying because of the views just like those on this forum. See you guys sometime in the future. I am done here.
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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 02:53:28 PM »
Pin: I don't know if your medication is out of whack, or what your problem is, but you really seem to be taking this too seriously.

The USBC isn't going to do squat. Bowling is what it is, so we have to make the best of what we have.

Do you want some semblance of integrity? Then bowl regionals and enjoy the challenge/competition. If that's not acceptable, then strive to average 240+ in a local house.

There is always a way to find a new level to try and reach. You just seem to be a little too uptight over being challenged over your comment of "Current conditions and balls have made scoring easier for all styles". It's not necessarily true in the context of making bowling too easy to be worth pursuing.
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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 02:56:51 PM »
Pin-chaser – I fear that you haven’t understood what I was saying.

I too am appalled by what has happened and my stance has been steady against the high scoring conditions of today. Balls and lane conditions need to be reigned in so that you have to hone your skills over a long period of time and practice is needed to keep them sharp.  

My point is that every one has been helped. So on this board seem to think that it has only helped the other guy score higher. That their ability to score high is due to their superior (fill in the blank). It is only the other guy can only score because of the lanes, balls, etc.  

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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 04:30:20 PM »
I just recieved this months BTM... and what do I find but an article by John Jowdy reprinting an aritcle printed some years ago, "Are modern drilling methods technically illegal?" in which he proclaims amoung other things, that todays technology has gone to far in allowing scoring for unskilled bowlers.

Steven,

   I am not a great bowler and probally never was. I have won two regionals in my long past and most recently have averaged near 240 for a couple seasons in one particular house. You are right there is always something to strive for but dare I say that any more accomplishments I achieve is ridiculous. In fact, I view many of them already as such. Given the amount of skill I most recently showed at the nationals I should be averaging about 200 at home.

   I dont dilude myself into believing for a minute that I am any good (while others might think so). I completely realize that whatever I score, its about the bowling ball and condition and not about me. Sure, I cheat by using technology, and cheat by increasing my rev rate despite the loss of accuracy to produce scores. And the more I do it, the more I realize that this game has become a joke.

  And you are right, I am off my medication that allows me to accept what this sport has developed into. I dont expect USBC to do anything about it. They dont feel it is there responsibility. They have left that decision to the proprietors and the ball manufacturers who are after only one thing, money.

  So who does this leave it up to? I was hoping that some number of bowlers accross the country could ban together in some fashion to reguest/demand change. But I fear that Bones is more than on the target, that bowlers simply dont care about integirty and want there cake and eat it too.

Pinbuster,

   I must have misunderstood. I agree that all bowlers have been helped by technology. Perhaps some have been helped more but I suspect those that are not helped as much have not learned the right technology combination for there game (perhaps label drillings might help them in there time of need).



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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2005, 09:39:52 PM »
I dont care about styles all I want is some oil layed down to where these scrubs dont have all this room for there mistakes.

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Re: We doth protest to much.
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2005, 09:52:31 PM »
Pinbuster: I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement regarding your stance on taking what has been put in front of you and score as high as possible on the condition(s) at hand. That's why I chose this year to bowl more in different houses so that my game will improve. The two main houses that I bowl in have conditions that are night and day- you can't throw the ball the same way in one house compared to the other and expect to score well. Riding the oil line at the correct speed to the breakpoint is the shot on Mondays, whereas repeating shots with slower ball speed and accuracy would be the shot on Tuesdays. My average disparity reflects the conditions, and I've come to terms with the fact that in one house the higher average ranks probably 20th-25th in terms of highest in the house, compared to the lower Tuesday average that would be 2nd high in the house.

I've learned to roll with the changes. Plastic to urethane to resin to particle, wood lanes to synthetic lanes, I've come to expect a good time bowling in whatever house I bowl in. Give praise to the people that bowl well and they will hopefully do the same when you outscore them.

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