Author Topic: I HATE all this early rolling CRAP. (Read 1523 times)

HamPster · « **on:** September 25, 2003, 04:43:25 AM »

Please please please, bowling companies, QUIT making all this low rg stuff. I've got two patterns that make urethane roll at 35 feet. Everything rolls at 35 feet or burns up. 23 feet, buffed to 37, and it's a WALL. The other one has strong enough backends that I'm alright. Maybe I'm obsessed with trying to be something more than a house bowler, but man it's irritating when nothing helps you out. NEGATIVE stuff even moves early or rolls out. I don't see how people score here. Not many really do, but I've always had trouble bowling here. My extreme hate for flat 10's is probably why I'm having so many problems. I never had trouble bowling until I started bowling here. I can't stand such a bland reaction. I could score if I wanted to, yeah, but I'm trying to be more than a house bowler. Maybe I'll try a few weeks of fluffing just to get my average and desire to bowl back up, but I absolutely HATE lowering myself to that level.
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HAH! I don't know ANYBODY now!

Being in adult leagues teaches you many things.

1. You're not on top anymore, but there are a lot more people that suck worse than you do now.

2. The myth about the youths having an easier shot is NOT TRUE. I'd have an entire ring collection if it was.

3. Drunk adults are a lot funnier than drunk youths.

RandyO · « **Reply #1 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:14:36 PM »

I've been trying to sell my 16# N.I.B. Ice Blue Razor for a while. Now THERE'S a ball that doesn't roll early.
Your Time Zone is rolling too early? How is it layed out?

HamPster · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:45:11 PM »

Lol, yeah, everything I HAVE is rolling too early. It's laid out pin over bridge, cg kicked out an inch from the midline, IF that far. My Detonator, Raging Red, and Power Groove are laid out the same way. The only thing that isn't is my Purple Fuze, and it's laid out pin under bridge, cg about an inch from my pap. I polished it to death, and it doesn't move much at all. But on this pattern, the buff area is murder. The backends are too soft to do much at all. I'd have a better look if I was bowling decent, but I've always had trouble with this house. All the trying to throw it harder or rev it up more just messed with my game too much. There are some guys that can get length and power into the pocket, but I don't know how they do it. Their stuff just skids that extra couple feet before it starts moving, and a lot of them have stronger drillings than I have. I know the specs, logistics, and everything, I just plain can't get a good reaction, and neither can my boss. Too many flat 10's. I could hit the pocket everytime no problem, but sometimes the pins act like they're nailed to the deck. I don't want to just put it where I can hit the pocket, I want to throw a NICE shot that hits FLUSH and reacts well. None of this half-ass throw it down the lane and hope it carries crap.
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HAH! I don't know ANYBODY now!

Being in adult leagues teaches you many things.

1. You're not on top anymore, but there are a lot more people that suck worse than you do now.

2. The myth about the youths having an easier shot is NOT TRUE. I'd have an entire ring collection if it was.

3. Drunk adults are a lot funnier than drunk youths.

RandyO · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:16:53 PM »

Hard to analyze the problem when I can't see you throw the ball. If others are scoring well, and their equipment is getting down the lane and hitting better, even with more aggressive layouts, it may be the way you throw the ball that is doing you in. Where is your PAP while the ball is still in the heads? Is it pointing down below horizontal? I see lots of younger players who rev-it-up and in doing so end up having their PAP below horizontal, and often they will have a smaller track, with PAP coordinates below 5". This causes early reaction EVERY TIME. You end up having to use less aggressive equipment to get through the heads, and as a result are much more affected by the condition of the heads, and carrydown anywhere past the heads. Sometimes it will even look like your ball has two breakpoints. What many find out too late is that the style that you learned growing up on easy shots with the puddle in the middle and guaranteed recovery from the dry doesn't usually work once you get on tougher conditons. That is why you see so many people alternating between 'beak-splits' and 2-10's when the oil starts to shift, and become clueless on really tough conditons. Having a larger (higher) track combined with good axis tilt (or axis inclination) is a real advantage when playing widely varying conditons, regardless of your rev-rate. If you are unsure as to what I'm refering to, I have a small article in MSWord format with a few photos that explains it reasonably well. I could send it to you after I get home late tonight. Send me a PM with your email address if you are interested. Of course, if you already know that this is not your problem and wish to disregard this message, no problemo.

HamPster · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:23:53 PM »

I have a high track most of the time, and I don't really rev the ball up all that much. 300 rpm's maybe, at 17+ mph. Probably more like 250 rpm's at the moment. Angle of rotation is about 55 degrees or higher to increase skid through the heads. I can take my righthanded balls and throw them lefthanded, and they react the EXACT same. Either too much hook or not enough. I was gonna try some axis tilt to get some push also, I've got a teammate that has about a 45 degree tilt, and he absolutely kills it. His shot is pretty inside out too. My boss and I have a bad habit of getting the ball out too quickly, even when we're playing deep, but we can't get the push through the middle for some reason. I'd just play deep, but there's only so far left I can go on the right lane, and at one of the houses there's return capping that absolutely negates playing deeper than a little inside 3rd arrow on the right lane. I love tougher conditions though, I can't stand this wall stuff. When a ball checks up at 7 board before it gets halfway down the lane, that's stupid. I like having the outside oil to hang the ball in, or if it's too wet dry, I can play deep with plastic. Or used to be able to, that is.
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HAH! I don't know ANYBODY now!

Being in adult leagues teaches you many things.

1. You're not on top anymore, but there are a lot more people that suck worse than you do now.

2. The myth about the youths having an easier shot is NOT TRUE. I'd have an entire ring collection if it was.

3. Drunk adults are a lot funnier than drunk youths.

RandyO · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:32:33 PM »

Well there you go - learn how to put some 'tilt' or 'inclination' on your axis. Your're gonna have to learn it someday if you want to move into the upper levels of this wonderful sport.

Game In a BoxLC · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:38:59 PM »

55 degrees angle is a lower roll meaning ur gunna check up early. Two options, i do well on short patterns liek you describe because my angle of rotation is almost 70-80 degrees, it gets farther down the lane. Or move your eyes from the arrows to 30 feet down the lane, or hell aim at your breakpoint, you will project the ball more, garaunteed, hell you will probably washout on shots you usually go high on
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am i still considered a lefty, i never get to play the left side of the lane

HamPster · « **Reply #7 on:** September 26, 2003, 02:48:44 AM »

Yeah, I can't quite get the speed with that angle of rotation yet, but I'm practicing on it. I know how to use axis tilt too, I just don't prefer using it right now, especially with the way my wrist is acting. I'm trying to cut my elbow out completely, and remembering my fingers is tougher than I thought it'd be. I used to be able to do absolutely anything with a ball, but I used my elbow too much. If I had a decent quality video camera, I'd do something like Toma's doing and have somebody check it out. I have a good idea of what I'm looking for, but other eyes will surely see something I'm not paying attention to.
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HAH! I don't know ANYBODY now!

Being in adult leagues teaches you many things.

1. You're not on top anymore, but there are a lot more people that suck worse than you do now.

2. The myth about the youths having an easier shot is NOT TRUE. I'd have an entire ring collection if it was.

3. Drunk adults are a lot funnier than drunk youths.

Author Topic: I HATE all this early rolling CRAP. (Read 1523 times)

HamPster

I HATE all this early rolling CRAP.

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