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Title: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 02, 2004, 06:35:18 PM
Somebody is probably gonna call me a crybaby, but I have to unload this before it sours my whole day.

Last Monday night I had my first 300 game. I'm just thrilled, because I pretty much only bowl once a week except for a sweeper once in a while. Well, anyway last night I was surprised to find the same identical shot on the lanes. First game, I have the first nine, super clean shots, real possibility of my second perfect game. I get up to the approach, the bowler on my left nods and says go ahead and gives me the two lane courtesy. I look to my right, make eye contact with the bowler two lanes over, and step up on the approach. As I'm setting up, I can see him right at the end of his approach out of the corner of my eye, but I figure he's giving me the lane courtesy also. As I get to the last step in my approach, here comes this guy on my right running up on me (he basically runs to the line). Needless to say, I was distracted, pulled the shot for a seven/spare, which I followed by a flush pocket strike to finish the game for a 277.

I'm fuming as I sit back down, and this guy who had run up on me comes over and says "What did you do?" When I tell him that I was distracted when he ran up on me, he laughs! Well anyway, I know a lot of bowlers think two lane courtesy is crap and all, but on a nine bagger in the tenth, I don't think I've ever seen this happen before. I could understand if this guy was a new bowler, or a low average bowler, but this guy is a 2-teen average who bowls three times a week.

I don't know if I feel any better yet, but at least I tried. BLAH!
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Edited on 2/3/2004 10:32 AM

Edited on 2/3/2004 10:32 AM
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: brimar on February 03, 2004, 09:50:53 AM
id have to agree with bob. i normally dont give 2 lane courtesy either, (this is why our league takes 3 hours now) i used to, but it doesnt bother me anymore if other dont as well. theres a few exceptions, guys who spend 45 seconds on the approach, guys who wander 2 lanes over after throwing...ect...
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 03, 2004, 09:55:44 AM
Yeah, I know all that; but how many 300 games have you seen (in league play)where other bowlers didn't give the person at least two lane? I haven't seen any. In fact I have seen some times in which practically the whole league would pause. This is a trio, An hour and a half.

I knew there would be at least a few that would start quoting the rule book on me. double blah!
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 03, 2004, 10:18:06 AM
Maybe I have a problem, my periferal vision is just abnormally acute. I'm thinking maybe I'll wear safety glasses with the side sheilds next week. Several bowlers have told me they don't ever see the bowlers on the adjacent lanes.
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 03, 2004, 10:39:21 AM
You're exactly right Mojo. It wasn't strictly the two lane, it was that this guy paused when I looked over and made eye contact, he really surprised me. Also, it's not that I care anything about the legality of it. To me league bowling is recreational (for fun). I kind of feel this guy meant to distract me. That's why it bugged me.
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: T-Hob on February 03, 2004, 10:45:35 AM
I'm with you Kendog. If I can see you in my peripheral vision, it distracts me. I don't care if I'm on a string of strikes or just trying to get focussed on my strike shot after a spare the previous frame. If I see people in close proximity to me while I'm on the approach it messes me up. I go through it every week. What I usually do is let everyone else around me go before I do. That way they can do whatever they do and they are back off the approach waiting on their balls to come back while I'm up making my shot.
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: Doc Hollywood on February 03, 2004, 11:00:22 AM
Get over it kendog.  Things like this happen all the time.  You just need to leran to focus through it.

If you can bowl with distractions then you can bowl against anyone anywhere.

In my league people yell out your name or crack a joke.  You learn to become immune to it.

I remember one night while practicing a fellow member komike bowled a 300 with people on the next lane running up to the line as he was in his approach.  He just followed through and buried it.  This was during an open play bowling where there were all kinds of people who know nothing of lane courtesy.

Next time if you know someone isn't up to giving you courtesy then back off.  Once you begin you should be so focused on the shot you block everything else out.  Pull the trigger and go.  If you think someone is going to distract you then it already has happened.  Negative thoughts. I believe Dean Hintz has written something on that.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 03, 2004, 11:10:08 AM
Maybe I'll just start taking my wife to the lanes with me, it would be an ideal training excersise. lol I could add the kids in once I got good at it. It is definetely something I have trouble with. At the same time, I know I'm not alone. The pros get pretty pissed when an audience member moves, or flashes a camera, or yells. Are you gonna tell them to "get over it"? I don't think everyone has the ability to tune out distractions like your friend Doc. But I admit, I'm probably more susceptable to distration than most. Maybe I have AADD!
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kendog
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: guzmand19 on February 03, 2004, 11:36:04 AM
Hey KenDog, sorry you missed out on the second 300.  I'm still waiting for my first, one day I will get there.  As for your post, from how you word it sounds to me like this guy may have been trying to mess you up on purpose.  I base this on three things.  1)  He ran up and shot with you.  Even when not giving full 2 lane courtesy, I try not to throw at the exact moment someone else is.  2)  Its almost a rule and everyone knows it that if a guy is on a big run, you give him the courtesy.  Hot hand takes the lead, simple as that. He was only 2 lanes over, he knew what was going on. 3)  He laughed when you told him you missed the three hundred and that he distracted you.  He probably felt you were mad at missing three and blaming him for it, but its still not appropriate to laugh.

As for courtesy in general, I agree with the posters who said they ask to be placed next to kids during practice.  I totally do the same thing and it really helps you focus.  Ive had kids wander into my lane during the approach, and scream just for hitting a pin or 2.  Now its too the point I dont even hear them.  I hear nothing but my feet, the ball hitting the lane, rolling and hitting pins.  I expect it to be noisy at a bowling alley and get most unnerved at total silence.  I am cool with one lane courtesy, and even 2 lane if everyone chooses to observe it.  Otherwise 2 lane is too slow.  We have this one team that refuses to bowl if you are within 3 LANES!!  No one likes bowling this team, because it takes 3 hours to bowl a set.  I tried talking to them about it and they blame everyone else.  I eventually got mad and told them if you can't bowl because someone is within 3 lanes of you, its time for a new sport.  Of course, they all average 130-140 and think they are God's gift to bowling.

BTW, if other bowlers catch on that lane courtesy bothers you, they will use it on you.  I got lectured by one lady for just walking up to get my ball that I was supposed to remain seated until she was done.  I got mad, and the next time she threw her shot and knocked down 3, I walked up threw my strike and made a comment about how this game is just too easy sometimes.  Pissed her off good

 


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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: Ernie McCracken on February 03, 2004, 12:17:30 PM
I'd rather have everyone keep on shooting if I'm up there getting ready to shoot a perfecto.  For some reason, their actions help me keep my mind where it needs to be.
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: no1bucsfan on February 03, 2004, 12:50:24 PM
Kendog, I respect your opinion on a lot of things, including you political alliances. But now you've went and done it. lol. Next year people will want three lanes of courtecy. In a couple of years if someone has nine in a row they will want the whole alley stop bowling because the noise could distract them. After that they will wants the lanes cleared out totally when they shoot.

1 lane is the rule. I remember a psot about a month or so back about a guy that wore blinders when bowling to keep from being distracted, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for you to try something along those line.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: Strider on February 03, 2004, 06:35:08 PM
I'm not a fan of multiple lane courtesy (unless someone nearby has a really funky style or tends to yell), but I try to get 2 if I'm on a big string.  I too have very good peripheral vision and get easily distracted.  I'm aware of the styles around me and will wait if I get someone who will catch my eye.  Hopefully his "running up on you" wansn't intentional.  Better luck next time.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: LuvThatWhiteDot on February 03, 2004, 09:44:05 PM
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EDIT...No mention of lane courtesy in the rulebook that I could find.



It's not in the rule book, but in the back of the What Is The Answer book (most league secretaries have a copy) is a list of 10 Etiquette Information items.

#5 states:  "Observe one lane courtesy. The bowler on the right should bowl if both reach the approach at the same time.  Stay off the approach while you wait."  (duh)

#6 is interesting.  "Good bowling requires concentration.  Bowlers should always keep in mind when others are preparing to bowl.  Excessive movement or noise could be distracting.  When a player is ready to bowl, give them the courtesy of making their shot without interference, as you will want the same courtesy when it is your turn."

If you go to www.bowlingrulebook.com and click the What Is The Answer link, you can see the Etiquette Information page.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: seadrive on February 04, 2004, 10:24:22 AM
The fact that you were watching where this guy was out of the corner of your eye meant you were not focussed on the task at hand.  You should have stepped off the approach and regrouped.

On my Thursday night "men's league", we all give and get 2-lane courtesy.  It goes quickly if everyone pays attention and abides by the league's convention.

In the Sunday night "fun league", I give 2 lanes to people who also give it, but some people have a hard time remembering to give even one lane courtesy.  You learn to wait when you see someone about to bowl who is a notorious "jumper".

You also learn not to start your approach when you're next to someone who has a bad habit of drifting into your lane and kicking their legs all over the place, watching their ball go 8 mph toward the 3 pin.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 11:21:47 AM
I hope I've learned my lesson. I guess my main gripe was that I was just caught by surprise when he launched past me.

I'm much better now....who knows, maybe I'll toss another one next week, with my side-shield-safety-glasses on. lol
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just throw strikes

Edited on 2/4/2004 12:48 PM
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: iommifan on February 04, 2004, 11:53:54 AM
I know a couple of really good bowlers who if someone is even near the approach and they make a bad shot it's their fault. I think people need to focus more on the shot and not their surroundings. I give one lane courtesy and only expect like wise. What is going on two or three lanes over never even enters my mind. This is something I have noticed before and I think those players for their own sakes need to address it.
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 11:56:56 AM
Be prepared Jason, somebody is soon going to tell you how it's not in the "rule book" that you get 10 when you hit the pocket. This online therapy idea is not working out anywhere near as well as I thought it would LOL I'm thinking maybe I should close up shop before irreparable damage is done to my self-esteem
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kendog
avoids spare shooting at all costs
just throw strikes

Edited on 2/4/2004 12:56 PM
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: card79 on February 04, 2004, 12:13:31 PM
Ken-

This online therapy is like having my Dad as your therapist.  "He hit me in the head Dad"  Yeah well what did you do to deserve it.
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 12:28:22 PM
Hey card, it's like two days later ya' know. My calm is greatly enhanced. I know I should have reset and all, blah, blah, blah. My focus was all wrong, blah, blah, blah. Wait 'till next week!

Jason, you must just need a new ball. However, since your better half is now monitoring our every word, that is probably out of the question. Sooo, plan "B"... get a sub and quit yer whinin'.

I know there has got to be more suffering souls out there... step up and take your licks.

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kendog
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 12:44:44 PM
Well first off Jason, I know what my blueberry has done for my game lately.
Secondly, that's some kind of woman you've got there. I've got a change jar building towards my next top secret ball puchase.
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kendog
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 04, 2004, 12:51:22 PM
Although I typically give two lane courtesy, because at my original home lanes (Eastway Lanes, Erie, PA) it was standard and has stuck with me, I spent many years in junior leagues.  When bowling in YABA, you come to expect someone to run infront of you while on the approach.  Just the nature of bowling with 4-18 yr olds .  As a result, I am alright with no lane courtesy...  

Now on the issue of big strings... I think there is some common courtesy that goes along with it.  I don't mean have the center stop bowling, but for the love of god, use your head!  Thats just wrong and you have a right to be upset...  I would tell the guy to expect a grip sack in the back of his head next string he gets on...

S^2
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 12:57:12 PM
Amen brother!

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Now that's some therapy!

We're talkin' COMMON Courtesy, as in something MOST people follow. These guys that responded about the ABC Rules, I'm sure don't run up on people in the tenth frame of a perfect game either...Legalistic Bungholios!

I feel A LOT better now!
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kendog
avoids spare shooting at all costs
just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: CPA on February 04, 2004, 01:07:11 PM
Ken,
I had the same thing happen to me last week.  It is the unexpected that is the problem.  Then I start thinking about what they are doing and should be thinking about what I am doing.  I understand people getting excited but why do they stomp their feet hoping for more pin carry or slap their hands together right next to me while I'm on the approach?  Maybe your league and my league are filled with wierd people.
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: Urethane Game on February 04, 2004, 01:12:00 PM
Kendog,

Sorry about your mishap.  I suspect he did it on purpose.  I agree with Seadrive, though, when he mentioned that if you were thinking about it you weren't focused on the task at hand.  My peripheral vision is pretty acute so I feel your pain.

As an aside, I bowled in a pretty good league a few years back that had a "one lane courtesy" rule but no means of enforcing it.  As a result 2/3 of the guys would give 2 lanes and the rest wouldn't.  That is the worst.  

In fact a guy walked up on a teammate of mine on the front 8.  My teammate struck anyway and an elderly gent on my team scolded the guys about their lack of courtesy. It  ended up with me in this dude's face after he made a pretty rude comment to my elderly teammate.  

That was the last year that I bowled in that league.

Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: kendog on February 04, 2004, 01:22:47 PM
Hey CPA, I saw that what, 769 last week; In a sport league no less.  Sorry to hear you got gigged too. I'll be more careful and aware next time. As the title says I was just venting.

By the way, are you bowling in the Wed. night Sport this Summer? I'm planning on it.
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just throw strikes
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: nocarry4me on February 04, 2004, 02:13:20 PM
i personally hate it when ppl start giving me courtesy when i have the front 9 or something like that.....i prefer ppl to keep bowling like everything is normal.
Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: navy beans on February 04, 2004, 02:57:38 PM
You're right somebody is going to call you a cry baby....ME!! j/k

Honestly people complain too much about what other people are doing, you were the one throwing the ball down the lane so its up to you to throw a good ball or not. I'm not trying to make anybody mad, but its the truth. I bowled a 297 once....I didn't blame it on somebody else because it was my game to be bowled. I used it to my advantage and now everytime I've had the chance to shoot 300 that 297 game is the first thing I think of. I haven't missed the opportunity since that incident 4 yrs ago. Once again I'm not trying to make anybody mad here....just please don't complain when you don't shoot 300 because somebody pissed on your lucky bowling towel or whatever.

I hope everybody on this site shoots at least 850 next time they bowl!!!!

Tim
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Title: Re: I just gotta vent
Post by: channel surfer on February 04, 2004, 03:02:10 PM
There are tons of goofing bowlers around here that do this. This is why I make sure to wait till their done bowling, to approach my shot.
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