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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on June 09, 2017, 12:20:51 PM

Title: i made a mistake....
Post by: xrayjay on June 09, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
4 years ago I tried to see if I can modify my game, be a type of bowler I realize (recently) I am not. I kept thinking so much about "this and that" in my approach and release that it had messed me up mentally and physically.  Luckily I didn't drop my average too much along the way, and I still cashed in side action and events.

Even seeing Mike Jasnau and Mark Baker whom both mentioned just two things in my game that needed to work on and that my game isn't far off - not the 1000 things I thought that needed work.

Before the season ended this year, and after shooting <600 (brief slump) for a month, I reviewed the videos with these two coaches mentioned and realized I looked better back then than I do now. So I decided to go back and forget all that brain chaos I created in my head and go bowl my "old way" with the improvements advised by the real coaches, the pros.

The last two weeks of the fall/winter season and thru my summer leagues I haven't shot below 656 (and made $438 along the way too). My spare game has improved as well, only missing 1 single pin since and increasing my multi pin percentage since then. I'm not like others who have tried to change and succeeded. I am not that guy, and the only thing good that came out of this is increased rev rate and realizing I made a mistake trying to change.

On a side note: I'm not sure if practicing on difficult patterns (not THS) have anything to do with my improvements, but I've done well on some few sport patterns and struggled on THS.






Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: itsallaboutme on June 09, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
A man must know his limitation.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: Impending Doom on June 09, 2017, 12:57:16 PM
Personally, if you're struggling on the ths, you're doing something right lol
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: xrayjay on June 09, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
A man must know his limitation.

Very true.....something I learned many years ago during my MA training, it just never came to light in bowling until recently.

Personally, if you're struggling on the ths, you're doing something right lol

hahaha but I want to be a house hack though!!
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: Impending Doom on June 09, 2017, 01:20:38 PM
You want to be a house hack?

Throw it worse!
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: avabob on June 09, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Biggest fallacy in bowling is that you score better by spraying the ball on a house shot. 
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: xrayjay on June 09, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
You want to be a house hack?

Throw it worse!

like those new two handers with less than 6 years under their belts who average 220's???

There are those "mike miller" guys in leagues who are skilled with no thumb/two hands, well not as old as MM. These guys are good and accurate.

Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: itsallaboutme on June 09, 2017, 02:14:38 PM
I wouldn't consider 220 in 6 years that quick of progress.  If you really get into bowling and aren't averaging 220 in 6 years you probably aren't gong to ever average 220.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: avabob on June 09, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Back in the 80's a guy who had only bowled 3 years won a PBA stop.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: xrayjay on June 09, 2017, 03:32:58 PM
It took him 3 seasons to be 218.. took me 5 or so to reach 218, then I entered college a second time... college done 7 years ago and if this continues, I'll be plus double deuce entering fall hahahaha
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: Gid837 on June 10, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
I wouldn't consider 220 in 6 years that quick of progress.  If you really get into bowling and aren't averaging 220 in 6 years you probably aren't gong to ever average 220.

I started in 2004, took me about 4 years to average in the 220s, 2 more years to book 230. took 5 years off and booked 236 in my first year back this year
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: itsallaboutme on June 10, 2017, 09:18:39 AM
I hope you didn't hurt you shoulder.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: luv2C10falll on June 10, 2017, 09:57:11 AM
Goes to show the house shot is a complete joke .Has been for a looong  time
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: itsallaboutme on June 10, 2017, 11:31:39 AM
It's all relative.  There have been easy lane conditions in all eras.  The difference now is carry is easier and conditions are more consistent because the lane machines are so good.  So 220 now is about what 200 was with urethane and 190 before that.  I learned to bowl in the urethane era.  The biggest difference between then and now is then you didn't have to make it hard to hit the pocket to bring the scores down. 
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: avabob on June 10, 2017, 12:19:49 PM
Majority of the urethane era is when the totally walled conditions evolved.  Limited distance dressing rule allowed any type of wall as long as it wasn't past 28 ( later 24) feet.  That was a license to steal for the stand left throw right cup wristed players.  It is correct however that lane conditions haven't gotten easier, rather the high friction balls have enhanced carry potential tremendously. I averaged 225 plus several times during urethane era.  Average only increased a few pins in resin era but my award scores multiplied dramatically.  Transitions are actually more rapid and trickier on today's house shots
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: BallReviews-Removed0385 on June 10, 2017, 01:42:05 PM

Regardless of lane conditions, Jay, "you have to bowl like you" and the faster we bowlers recognize that the happier we will be. 

Due to build, flexibility, strength, athletic ability, age, injuries, and several other factors, we all have our individual styles.  Once again, it comes down to repeating shots; however, if you're trying so hard to bowl like someone else your chances aren't nearly as good as if you do what comes natural to you.

I watch bowlers literally waste years trying to bowl like (insert PBA player) when they have zero physical characteristics of that bowler.  It really doesn't matter if I'm playing straight up 8 board and my opponent is hooking the lane.  Chances are we're both hitting very close to the same spot down lane so whoever carries best will likely win. 

I am not as polished on the difficult sport patterns as some, but on the typical league night I have confidence that I can compete, and if I don't win, the other guy, at least, had to have a good night.  Just bowl like you.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: Juggernaut on June 10, 2017, 02:38:09 PM
  I learned to bowl in the urethane era.  The biggest difference between then and now is then you didn't have to make it hard to hit the pocket to bring the scores down.

AMEN TO THAT!

I've always thought that artificially making the patterns harder and harder in order to control scoring was NOT the answer.

 Don't make it hard to bowl, make it hard to carry.
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: imagonman on June 11, 2017, 12:01:08 PM


AMEN TO THAT!

I've always thought that artificially making the patterns harder and harder in order to control scoring was NOT the answer.

 Don't make it hard to bowl, make it hard to carry.

Then be prepared to say goodbye to reactive resin 'super' balls! All of em, back to 1992. Ain't gonna happen!
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: Juggernaut on June 11, 2017, 09:00:23 PM


AMEN TO THAT!

I've always thought that artificially making the patterns harder and harder in order to control scoring was NOT the answer.

 Don't make it hard to bowl, make it hard to carry.

Then be prepared to say goodbye to reactive resin 'super' balls! All of em, back to 1992. Ain't gonna happen!

 Been ready for that since 93. 🙄
Title: Re: i made a mistake....
Post by: avabob on June 12, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
The problem with making it easy to the pocket, but hard to carry is that you have by defitnition made it a carrying contest.  We went through that during the 80's.  No resin balls, but it was a crank to the bank era where anyone playing straighter was a totally niche competitor. 

I don't like what resin balls do to the patterns, but if we could find a way to make oil hold up a little longer, this may be the best era I have seen for bringing out talent at a competitive level.  You should have to be able to play multiple angles and deal with different length patterns if you really want to call yourself a tournament bowler.