Post by: keeones23 on January 16, 2009, 07:32:56 AM
want something strong throughout the lane and violent on the back. I was
looking into the virtual gravity, and before I just went and grabbed it I
wanted to post here to see if there is anything that deserves a look. I throw
between 15-16mph med revs and I track kinda high. I have most of my stats in
my profile. Any recommendations?
Post by: renoatpikeville on January 16, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
Post by: J_w73 on January 16, 2009, 03:50:35 PM
I don't have either so I am just throwing it out there. I was recommended the uprising when I was looking for a skid flip ball. It was brand new and didn't want to pay that much at the time ..
I'm wanting to get a beat'n or whup'n.. according to the BTM ball review chart the beat'n is the most backend ball(more backend rating then any other ball) , Ball with more Hook but slightly less back end is the morich Awesome hook.. but it has alot less length at 500 grit.. not sure what it would do at a higher grit.. not familiar with mo-rich
Most skid/flip I think would be Hammer Venom or Track kinetic. I went with the Track Kinetic. Big backend, not angular but that is they way I drilled it..neither are for heavier oil though.
If you want a link to the ball review chart pm me.. I can't find the link right now. It is pretty usefull in looking for a certain type of ball or comparing balls against eachother.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 17, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on January 17, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 17, 2009, 11:44:26 AM
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Post by: Rev_O on January 17, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
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For true skid flip, wouldn't you want a pearl (skid through the oil and react hard to the backend friction)?
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Survey says..............YES SIR.
Even drilled RICO, my Playmaker is borderline skid/flippy.
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Post by: tloy on January 17, 2009, 11:50:55 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on January 17, 2009, 11:51:54 AM
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For true skid flip, wouldn't you want a pearl (skid through the oil and react hard to the backend friction)?
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on January 17, 2009, 11:53:37 AM
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Post by: tfav44 on January 17, 2009, 12:05:59 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 17, 2009, 12:13:05 PM
quote:quote:
For true skid flip, wouldn't you want a pearl (skid through the oil and react hard to the backend friction)?
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Jon (in Ohio)
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Survey says..............YES SIR.
Even drilled RICO, my Playmaker is borderline skid/flippy.
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Same here, Steve. I have a couple pearls with weak/smooth layouts that still have a skid-flip reaction. Coverstock is still the primary factor in ball reaction
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Post by: strikecing on January 17, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
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Post by: revTrex on January 17, 2009, 12:38:24 PM
Give up your search and work on your game. Try playing a straighter angle for a change. Move right and ball down if you want more entry angle. That, or change your hand position and increase your axis rotation.
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Post by: keeones23 on January 17, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
Post by: revTrex on January 17, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
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Hey rev, easy there fella. I'm working on my game, and I also play straight quite often. When I said "strong throughout..." nice-midlane read and strong continuous is like the same to me. What i'm trying to do is get a ball right under the cell, I have an acid and it's archy as well. I have the ogre ss and I like it where it's at really long and snappy, it's too long to bring out after the cell. I want a med-heavy skid/flip or more angular than the cell. Heck I might be able to play that straighter angle you mentioned with it. Sorry if I offended you.
Dude, you didn't offend me in any way -- I'm just trying to tell you that you won't be able to get a true skid-flip reaction on heavier, longer volumes, and that you'd be better served with something that gives you some mid-lane roll, etc. The Virtual Gravity is more angular than the Cell. I'm not arguing that... it's just the precision of your description in your initial request that I'm questioning.
Hope this helps... and that you understand where I'm coming from.
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Post by: bowlerlee on January 17, 2009, 01:25:36 PM
For me the Kinetic Pearl goes down the lane without over-reading the mid-lane and then makes its turn. You can talk to your pro shop, or contact a regional rep. from Track, they should be able to make some good suggestions.
The question that I would have is whether you really mean that you want the ball to read the mid-lane (my interpretation of "strong")? It sounds like that is what your Cell is doing already.
The idea behind skid/flip, as I understand it, is to avoid the mid-lane read as much as possible and therefore avoid yet another variable.
Somebody else can weigh in on this if they would like.
Good luck on your search.
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 17, 2009, 01:26:47 PM
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Post by: keeones23 on January 17, 2009, 01:45:41 PM
p.s that's why I posted here, because I know that I don't know everything and someone out there could better recommend a ball that might work better. I got just that, or at least an inkling of what could.
Thanks everyone!
Edited on 1/17/2009 2:48 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on January 17, 2009, 03:04:31 PM
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Post by: Oskuposer on January 17, 2009, 03:09:53 PM
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Post by: abrown on January 17, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
Post by: golfnutFL on January 17, 2009, 03:39:55 PM
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My cell has a very good mid-lane read and nice backend, I just want something that could be like the cell but more angular.
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Post by: revTrex on January 17, 2009, 04:24:10 PM
1) Lanemasters Black Pearl Reactive - a very strong backend motion that picks up just enough to still turn the corner on almost anything. Hit is vintage Lanemasters.
2) Roto Grip Cell Pearl - in most cases, it'll cover as many boards as the Cell (it's one STRONG pearl), but it should be longer and stronger off friction.
3) Storm Gravity Shift - not as strong as the Roto Grip Cell Pearl (by 1-4 boards, depending on surface prep, drilling, etc.), but definitely very angular. It's stronger than you Ogre SS, too, so it could be a ball that fits nicely in your arsenal and doesn't leave as much of a defined gap.
4) 900 Global Break Pearl - one of the most angular pearls on the market... 'nuff said.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 17, 2009, 09:31:06 PM
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Post by: dursty on January 18, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
Edited on 1/18/2009 7:11 PM
Post by: keeones23 on January 18, 2009, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on January 18, 2009, 10:18:22 PM
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 19, 2009, 12:13:03 AM
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To all those that have suggested the cell pearl, I was right there with you in thinking that it would be what I was looking for so I bought one. With the same drilling I got a ball that went long for sure but it was smooth. My grand Illusion had more backend than it did. The guy I sold it to said the same thing. People have suggested the up rising to me and it sounds good, and then I looked into the original rising and that looks like what the doctor ordered. So for anybody that has thrown both how different are the looks?
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Post by: Gazoo on January 19, 2009, 09:21:55 AM
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Post by: Kid Jete on January 19, 2009, 09:27:58 AM
Post by: keeones23 on January 19, 2009, 08:59:24 PM
No lie my grand illusion with a 5x3 exactly like my cell and cell pearl had more on the back. When the cell started to check up the pearl just kept going no snap all arc, smooth arc. I had to take the polish off the GI and put it at 2k to calm it down. I won't to call it a bad ball but maybe I should have went with another drilling.
Post by: six pack on January 19, 2009, 09:21:39 PM
I sold it at the time because I didn't care for the hook 20 boards @ 50 ft.
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Post by: jwhaleyii on January 24, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
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