Author Topic: I spy something illegal. (Read 4306 times)

TECH SUPPORT · « **on:** January 22, 2004, 07:44:02 PM »

Last night I bowled my mens league and we were on the high end pair. This pair is notorious for the oil breaking down fast. The teams lead off guy "also kind of a buddy" Bowls a 289 the first game and I was happy for him, Second game he bowls a 258. Ok I really am starting to take notice of his ball reaction as he is all over the place and the shot is burning up pretty fast. I noticed he is throwing his new silver diamond that he just got drilled right before we started. As I watch his ball go way down the lane and rip back from the desert I couldn't help but wonder how he was getting such great length out of that ball. So I go to check the layout on it and was pretty dumb founded at what I saw. The ball looked to be a 1-2 inch pin with a half @ss label drill on it. The problem was the fingers were right on top of the cg thus making it look like it had a lot of finger and top weight. The pin was above and to the right of the ring finger I checked the fingers and they were of normal depth with grips in them. I go back and ask my other buddy "on my team" to look at it and he agreed it didn't look right. ok after the third game and we are all finished "by the way he only shot 215 last game" I meet up with him in the pro shop and tell him I was impressed with how well the ball rolled and might want one similar, so I asked to check the box specs so I would know what to order. the pro shop guy hands me the box and Holy crap 15.02# pin 1-2" 4.25 top weight. I said cool and thanks for the info as I walked out. the guy in the pro shop is known for doing crap like this because he is to lazy to weigh a ball out before or after he drills it. So tonight I have to file a formal protest against a friend of mine because of some idiots incompetence. I am going to have them weigh the ball out and see what will happen. I feel bad about haven to do this but didn't want to confront him last night because of the fact we were bowling against him and he might think I was making it up to distract him.

So what are some of your opinions on how to handle this.
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jkiser01 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:06:11 PM »

cgilyeat,

I have shot numerous honor scores and also seen teammates do it and I have NEVER seen anyone get there ball checked..

I would bet if you checked all the balls in most leagues, there would be alot that where so called "illegal"..

My point was thats its not that big of a deal, its in a league.. If it was some kind of high dollar tournamnet, then thats different..

This guy is also supposed to be a friend.. Just let it go and have him get the ball within specs.. You are speculating on the specs anyway..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..

jkiser01

Edited on 1/23/2004 3:16 PM

jkiser01 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:28:03 PM »

Plus40,

Its only a league.. Why do you beleive there needs to be more restrictions put on equipment?? I just think alot of people take league bowling way to serious.. Its supposed to be fun..

I have no problems with people going by the rules, I just don't see where one night of a guy having a couple good games because his ball "might" be out of spec is that major of an issue..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..

jkiser01

cgilyeat · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:12:25 PM »

jkiser, I agree that's it "only" league, but it goes back to the integrity issue. If we are going to sanction with the ABC, then ALL of the rules need to be followed whether it's a league or a tournament. The'rs a lot of money in some leagues for brackets, etc, and it may make a difference to someone if they lost brackets to someone using an illegal ball. While it may or may not make any difference to the scores he bowled, the ball still needs to be checked to make sure whether it was within specs or not. Like you, I've not seen a ball check after an honor score either, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be checked.

charlest · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:32:37 PM »

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I can't believe many of these posts. I think that a lot of people here would agree that equipment technology has gotten out of hand and more restrictions need to be put on equipment. And yet some of you think it is ok to just push what measly rules we have aside. It's no wonder this game is losing integrity.

Plus40,

This game has lost its integrity and the ABC IS responsible.

Just as an example I made post here a while back that maybe you didn't see, but this Summer my so-called ABC-sanctioned Sport League had a verifiable case of sandbagging that the ABC in Greenville refused to adjudicate as such. Many people cann corroborate what we saw: a 230-avg bowler playing inside line of about 15 out to 10 intentionally threw 2 gutter balls in the 10th frame so his friend could move into first place. The ABC said if the bowler did not admit to doing that, then it wasn't sandbagging. Excuse me? Since when does he have to admit it? Is that "IN THE RULES"?? Not, No, Hell, no!

If they could do that, what significance do any of the other rules have, espcially one like limited top and side weights which no longer mean anything all?

Please get off your high horse and face reality.

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"No good deed goes unpunished."

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2004, 04:18:52 PM »

I have a golden nugget that started out at 4.7 of top wieght and had lane 1 send me a second ball guess what the same top wieght on the second ball, i was pissed and called them about how to drill this ball up. Anyway pin under ring cg kicked 3/4 inch right in thumb quad the ball ended up having illegal side weight just put a big hole in it and this sucker flat hooks when it hit dry and the top weight ended up being under 1 oz so a ball with high top weight is not always a bad deal they knocked off 40.00 bucks and told me they would still take it back if i did not like the ball after drilling it. So sometimes if you have a good ball driller this does not matter but in this case if your team was knocked way down on points and you were in contention maybe you should protest i would not because i think what comes around goes around.

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2004, 05:05:34 PM »

Looks can be deceiving, I have a ball my coach/pro shop guy drilled up for me about a year ago. Everytime he looks at it he says he can't believe it is legal. He says it looks like it nees a weight hole. It has been checkd by him at least 2 times and I used it at an ABC sanctioned tournament and it passed their inspection.
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Strider · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2004, 06:34:53 PM »

I agree with 1fife and Pinbuster. Weigh the ball. If it's illegal, tell him to get it fixed or don't use it again or you will protest. It was only 1 night, he probably didn't know it may have been illegal, and he may have bowled just as well with something else.
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Tex · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2004, 11:20:11 PM »

I have always been one of the guys that if it is illegal then they should forfiet the points and that is that. On the other hand, I really understand reading what is said here about maybe discrestion is the better idea. Something I have to remember myself. I flat out accussed a team of sandbagging one night and they did not even know what I was talking about. Then it was pointed out this was a fun mixed league, not my money league and althouhg the guys where probably guttering intentionally, they also were losing almost every total pins because of it. They never learned and eventually quite. Off subject, but my tantrum just made me look dumb and gave me no opportunity to educate the new bowlers of what was right and wrong. It is a shame that some proshops and I use the term pro losely ignore the rules. Odds are if it is out as much as you say, the guy will drill a hole that is oversize and the ball will still be illegal just within the weight specs. The bad drilling problem is more common than we probably realize. I know last year at the ABC's one guy had brought 6 balls and the only one that passed inspection was his spare ball. One was so bad he had to carry it to one of the boothes to see if they could fix it. He was really happy with his proshop about then. Of course I have also inspected every ball before I left town, only to have the ABC guys say a ball was off one direction or another. Sometimes I question their accuracy as much as the local guys. So, back to the subject, I vote talk with the guy in a nice way and see if he can get it checked before someone nails him. The bad feeling just might not be worth the trouble. Man, I can't believe I just said that. Mr. hardnose rules saying just get it fixed before the next time.

stormerjip · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2004, 11:54:09 PM »

1 wouldnt it make a difference how big his span is because right on top of the cg with a small hand would be differen't than a guy with a longer span because it would be farther up from center of grip. i know u guys keep bringing the issue of the top weight up but since u are allowed 3 oz of top weight they could get the 1.25 oz out fairly easy with a 31/32 hole for grips. might have to much finger but have it weight to get checked. but again there might be to much finger but only if ita pulled way up

tburky · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2004, 11:18:40 AM »

I could see you protesting the ball IF it is not an ABC approved ball. As for the layout and whether or not the static weights are legal...I am with Bob. Static weights really do not influence the ball that much. Static weights are measured in ounces, and I do not believe ounces would affect the dynamics of a 15# modern ball.

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TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2004, 01:24:38 PM »

The person in question was a no show last night. Maybe he will be thier tonight.
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