Post by: TECH SUPPORT on January 22, 2004, 07:44:02 PM
So what are some of your opinions on how to handle this.
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Post by: johns811 on January 23, 2004, 10:58:34 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on January 23, 2004, 11:02:07 AM
I'm sure not everyones ball is in spec..Its a league night, not a tournament.
The bottom line is this.. If this guy is a friend, why bother??
just my 2 cents..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..
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Edited on 1/23/2004 11:59 AM
Post by: charlest on January 23, 2004, 11:12:21 AM
I guess I feel the same. The top and side weight restrictions make little sense to me in this day of resin balls' reactions. I'd take your friend and hi sball aside, weigh the ball, make it legal so an enemy of his doesn't see the ball and let him enjoy his day in the sun. I doubt you'd feel very good after doing this and you may lose a friend. This is a lose-lose scenario. Make into a win-win scenario. A couple of points one night in a league is not going to make a huge difference.
Yes, you'd be following the letter of the law but violating the spirit of the law.
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Post by: cgilyeat on January 23, 2004, 11:13:06 AM
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Why are you filing a protest?? Because of the top weight in the ball?? Thats seems silly to me..
I'm sure not everyones ball is in spec..Its a league night, not a tournament.
The bottom line is this.. If this guy is a friend, why bother??
just my 2 cents..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..
jkiser01
Edited on 1/23/2004 11:59 AM
Would you have this opinion an honor score was thrown with a ball that turned out to be illegal? If this is a sanctioned league, the rules need to be followed, ALL of the rules, just not the ones we agree with.
The real problem here is not really with the bowler, but with the lazy driller. The guy should care enough to make sure that the ball weights are correct. Friend or not, the ball should be checked to make sure that it is legal, but try to do it outside of the league and wthout the protest.
Edited on 1/23/2004 12:11 PM
Post by: TECH SUPPORT on January 23, 2004, 11:14:13 AM
To bring the ball back into spec would pretty much ruin the ball I believe. It will require a huge wieght hole. but thier is the chance that it may not be illegal I have gotten one ball from lane one that didnt match the specs on the box, but I am pretty sure this one does.
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on January 23, 2004, 11:18:29 AM
Bob I give credit were credit is due. I was happy for him, he is a very good bowler and has several honor scores.He bowled ok last night but I just dont know what to do.
If it was simple to fix I would be more than happy to fix it. But the dam thing has to have more than a couple of ounces of top/finger weight. I guess I will wiegh it for him and see what can be done. I never know how he will take the news though.
As for my fellow team members i tell them the problem has been taken care of.
Thanks for the advice all.
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Edited on 1/23/2004 12:24 PM
Post by: janderson on January 23, 2004, 11:21:59 AM
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on January 23, 2004, 11:32:32 AM
.As I said in the other reply thier is the chance of it being miss marked But I know the drillers handy work.
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Post by: kalannar on January 23, 2004, 12:03:59 PM
Just my 2 cents.
Kalannar
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Post by: 1fife on January 23, 2004, 12:12:42 PM
he didnt do anything-it was the driller fault(not that it makes it ok)
If he is a friend-
tell him it doesnt look legal and tell him to have the pro shop guy weigh it up.
if they dont, tell him-it might be in his best interest to
tell him someone might not be as nice as you and file a protest if they notice the ball and he wouldnt want to lose points because ot it
this way it will look like you are dong him a favor-and still have a friend
Post by: mrteach3 on January 23, 2004, 12:19:06 PM
I wonder why you posted first under this topic.
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Post by: Pinbuster on January 23, 2004, 12:39:26 PM
I know a guy last year who went with his favorite ball. It had 2 ½ ounces of side weight and 1 ½ ounce of finger. He had them fix it and they had to drill a monster balance hole to bring it into spec.
He didn’t like the reaction after that and would have brought some other ball had he known he couldn’t use it because it was illegal.
Side note: If you are at a proshop and the driller does not balance the ball before drilling then I would say no thanks at that point and walk out. No professional ball driller would ever drill a ball without balancing it both before he drilled it and if it will require a balance hole then they should balance it again after they are done drilling.
Post by: charlest on January 23, 2004, 12:45:33 PM
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Charlest I agree I was thinking about pulling him aside and pointing it out to him last night but he has a temper and would probably cause a scene that wouldn't be pretty for anyone. I could offer to fix it for him but like I said it will probably kill the ball.
Like Bob said, in this resin age, that would not kill the ball and I doubt the top or finger weight had anything to do with the reaction. I have told this story several times here but let me repeat it: Brunswick tested this theory with side weights. Basically Parker Bohn and Johnny Petraglia could hardly tell the difference between 1 oz positive AND THREE OUNCES of negative side weight.
(That's a brutal summary.) That's a 4 ounce difference between the two balls!
Your friend's ball may be technically illegal but I sincerely doubt that it made any difference in his reaction.
YOu still need to chek out the weights. I'd drill the finger holes as deep as you can and see how close you can get without having to drill an extra hole.
It might have 2 ounces of top. (My finger and thumb holes with inserts remove almost 2.5 ounces of top weight.)
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Post by: mumzie on January 23, 2004, 01:28:54 PM
I don't think I'd file a protest over his performance last night, but I would take him aside, and say that "several people" had commented on the ball layout. Was the ball really that mismarked from the manufacturer - or something like that. That will give you a chance to find out what he knows about the ball and the layout. If he's unaware, he'll probably respond with "what do you mean" - if he's aware, he'll say - oh yeah, when we weighed it out the cg was off...
The tactful approach. If he then doesn't get the ball checked, THEN I'd bring up the negligence aspect.
I have one ball that's borderline. It has about 1/16th of an ounce less than legal top weight. I was told this by the driller at the time he drilled it. I was told to be very careful when weighing in at the ABCs, because they could find it illegal. I was also told that if this happened, to have it checked at multiple stations...
Post by: jkiser01 on January 23, 2004, 02:06:11 PM
I have shot numerous honor scores and also seen teammates do it and I have NEVER seen anyone get there ball checked..
I would bet if you checked all the balls in most leagues, there would be alot that where so called "illegal"..
My point was thats its not that big of a deal, its in a league.. If it was some kind of high dollar tournamnet, then thats different..
This guy is also supposed to be a friend.. Just let it go and have him get the ball within specs.. You are speculating on the specs anyway..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..
jkiser01
Edited on 1/23/2004 3:16 PM
Post by: jkiser01 on January 23, 2004, 02:28:03 PM
Its only a league.. Why do you beleive there needs to be more restrictions put on equipment?? I just think alot of people take league bowling way to serious.. Its supposed to be fun..
I have no problems with people going by the rules, I just don't see where one night of a guy having a couple good games because his ball "might" be out of spec is that major of an issue..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that d*mn 10 pin..
jkiser01
Post by: cgilyeat on January 23, 2004, 03:12:25 PM
Post by: charlest on January 23, 2004, 03:32:37 PM
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I can't believe many of these posts. I think that a lot of people here would agree that equipment technology has gotten out of hand and more restrictions need to be put on equipment. And yet some of you think it is ok to just push what measly rules we have aside. It's no wonder this game is losing integrity.
Plus40,
This game has lost its integrity and the ABC IS responsible.
Just as an example I made post here a while back that maybe you didn't see, but this Summer my so-called ABC-sanctioned Sport League had a verifiable case of sandbagging that the ABC in Greenville refused to adjudicate as such. Many people cann corroborate what we saw: a 230-avg bowler playing inside line of about 15 out to 10 intentionally threw 2 gutter balls in the 10th frame so his friend could move into first place. The ABC said if the bowler did not admit to doing that, then it wasn't sandbagging. Excuse me? Since when does he have to admit it? Is that "IN THE RULES"?? Not, No, Hell, no!
If they could do that, what significance do any of the other rules have, espcially one like limited top and side weights which no longer mean anything all?
Please get off your high horse and face reality.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 23, 2004, 04:18:52 PM
Post by: ThongPrincess on January 23, 2004, 05:05:34 PM
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Post by: tburky on January 24, 2004, 11:18:40 AM
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on January 24, 2004, 01:24:38 PM
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