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thewhiz

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Arm Swing
« on: December 21, 2015, 09:49:18 PM »
Posted a question for my buddy.  He plays up the boards with about med. Speed.  Like walter ray williams jr.  He plays around 7 to 12 board.  Sometimes he pitches the ball to the right out to 3 board.  Any idea why?  I watch his armswing and it looks good.

 

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 12:15:58 AM »
It could be many things for him to miss right, or it might be just one thing. But when I'm off, I have someone check my approach. Usually it's my footwork and/or the direction of my push away.

Having a person with the eyes and the knowledge for the physical game can identify the problem(s). The trick is finding one lol...
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thewhiz

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 01:16:44 AM »
Got that right.  I can fix my own game just not someone elses.  Lol

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 07:54:44 AM »
He is human.

It could differ from time to time. Could be timing one time,  could be dropping his shoulder another,  could look off at the line and not be looking at his mark.

The more you practice properly the better your chances to be more consistent/smaller deviation in execution.
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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 03:22:13 PM »
I have heard the "Pros" say, if you do not cross your right ( for a righty) foot in front of your left , on the first right  step, you will throw the ball to the right in order to get it past your leg.
I have also seen almost every Pro extend his balance arm out to the side with his thumb turned DOWN!
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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 10:43:45 AM »
If he does that he might fall on his face.  Lol

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 11:14:49 AM »
An arm swing is created and predicated by many variables...body type & tilt and alignment as well as preferred timing...timing is termed as such that the body interacts with the arm and swing...where the ball is when it enters the actual downswing and how it depends on its positioning with the shoulders and hips...
A majority of bowlers that I have worked with over the vast years are at least a good full step out of time (look at Scott Norton) which does not allow the swing to properly interact with the proper movements of the body or the hip do not clear correctly to allow the swing to clear freely...thus generally creating a miss to the right or a over the top pull to the left, due to the fact the body gets in the way of allowing a free swing...or creating a rounder swing plane in regards to the body, both creating improper feeding of the ball into the downswing and into the lane
The things I would look at is proper amount of upper body tilt or the swing shoulder lower than the opposing shoulder and the ball in the proper alignment and placement going into the swing or the ball starting its movement back as the opposing foot taking its step
Shoulder alignment generally dictate direction ball travels off the bowlers hand...if the shoulders are being forced open to allow the ball to swing through, timing is not allowing the shoulders to return to the desired alignment thus a missed shot path
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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 03:01:53 PM »
90% of the time when I lose one wide it is fast feet, usually caused by a quick short first step.  However you can also pull the ball from the same mistake.  It depends on whether you subconsciously muscle the arm swing to catch up resulting in a pull, or make a good fluid swing that is to far behind your feet. 

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 07:59:54 PM »
Feet are NEVER fast...they are stabilizers and are there to provide support for the upper body and the bowling ball...the reason why they appear quicker is they are needing to keep up with an upper body movement or the force of the bowling ball in a position away from a proper position or pulling the upper body away from a centralized position...similar to falling off balance at the foul line...it's deals with proper or improper timing movements
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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 04:58:09 PM »
He might be accelerating with his feet for the slide before he accelerates at the release, timing issue at the end of the day
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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2016, 06:26:39 PM »
Foot speed indeed, is a direct function of upper body movement. Especially bowlers who
deploy a gravity-fed swing, the speed and tempo of the feet should synchronize with the speed and tempo of the armswing and not the other way around. 

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Re: Arm Swing
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2016, 07:24:09 PM »
If Master yoda was a BR member..

feet follow swing, it must. 

feet getting in the way is the path to the dark side…feet not in sequence leads to timing issues…timing issues leads to trouble…trouble leads to suffering.

Difficult to see, always in motion is the swing....

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