is it a spinner?  This is prompted by the post "Crap, i'm a spinner."

My driller has a track that, on observation, would look like a spinner.  Small circumference, PAP over only about 4 over and up maybe 2+.  BUT, if you actually watch him throw the ball it doesn't come off his hand like a spinner.  Now mind you, I'm assuming that spinners rotate the wrist a lot and come pretty much off the top of the ball, yes?  Not my driller.  He does do something funky that I can't describe, at the bottom of his swing, but certainly not "spin" it.  

So, would you catagorize someone like this as a spinner?  I don't because of two reasons:  
1) he actually comes out of the ball not all that abnormally.
2) he gets mildly upset when I call him a spinner (joking though).


BTW, his layouts would confuse most of you - you just cannot look at his layouts and predict ball motion based on anything you know.
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The retired proshop guy I worked and bowled with threw a spinner track (I believe his PAP was 4 1/8 over) but like Rags guy it never really looked like a spinner going down the lane.

It was a funky roll, never hooked much even on dirt, didn’t have a lot of revs and simply carried every type of hit imaginable.

He was deadly accurate to boot.

Like Sawbones said he kept his hand wide open till the last moment and then turned it a bunch. He would always admit to being a spinner and claimed to have a sick one but seldom did anyone out average him. Hardest working guy on the lanes you ever saw. He won 1 PBA title and bowled the tour off and on from 1970 thru 1975.