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Bob.Bowler

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If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:24:00 PM »
I have a question to ask the PBA forum of their thoughts regarding this. A tournament series in Orlando offered a Storm contract for the top points finisher. The top 3 spots declined and the 4th person who was on Columbia's staff at the time decided to drop his Columbia contract after 7 months and take the Storm contract. This person has since allowed his friends and associates to bash Columbia even though it was Columbia equipment he used to finish where he did.

Do you feel that this is right and should have Storm allowed the tournament to award a contract for someone that did not finish 1st? This is not a pity party for the losing company, I could care eith way but it is a question of what was done being ethically right by this bowler? Had he fulfilled the terms of his Columbia contract and then sought a Storm contract after as a free agent, I would see no harm or foul. The approach is the issue and I imagine that Storm would not want to be seen this way considering this bowler prior to getting his Columbia contract was Storm faithful but never given the opportunity to be on staff.

We have been there before about working your tail off to get noticed for a staff contract. I am still working and hope my abilities get me to that level.

Let me know your thoughts.

Bob Bowler.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 08:17:34 PM »
No comment, I know who youre talking about.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 08:53:17 PM »
Admittedly, I think it had less to do with Columbia, and more to do with the fact that his best friend and ball driller was also a Storm Staffer. Not sure I would of done the same thing, but to each his own.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 08:57:54 PM »
i dont really mind him jumping ship and moving to storm but it couldve been done without the bashing of the old company. there is a way to promote your product without bashing another.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 09:32:08 PM »
Just to be clear, did this guy have a monster set with an IQ Tour shortly after the switch.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 09:57:01 PM »
There is no loyalty these days in many ways. Still it is the bowlers choice if they won the contract then they can choose to accept or decline. IF 1-3 decline and 4th gets the deal and Storm is okay with that then I say it is fine. Also the terms on his Columbia contract are unknown at least by me. Was it a proshop contract that many companies have that are given out to local proshop employees or a regional staffer contract?

I use 99% Brunswick company products but I do not bad mouth other companies products. They may not work as good for me but that by no means they are bad products.

As a sales person or a rep the most important thing is to never bad mouth an others product compared to yours because you never know when you may have to promote that product as well. At that point your credibility is worthless.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 10:43:14 PM »
The bowlers knew going in that there was a staff contract up for grabs.

A ball company can do whatever it wants with its staff contracts.

The interplay between the two will happen as it happens.

It's all part of the business.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 07:47:43 AM »
If I sign a contract, then I honor that contract for the duration of it.  If it is a 12 month contract, I dont jump ship after 7 months.  If I knew of a tournament that was offering a contract as a prize for winning but on staff with another, then I probably dont show up at all and go bowl something else.  But thats just me.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 08:16:09 AM »
I don't have a problem with storm going down the list and giving the contract to the top finisher that would take it.

I'm like TWOHANDED834 I would honor the original contract. If the contract had language that allowed me to op out and I liked storm equipment better then I might jump ship.

And I would not talk bad about the previous contract company. Burning bridges rarely does anyone any good.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 09:03:50 AM »
I see no issues with him jumping ship to Storm. The ball manufacturers are not very caring when it comes to dropping people from contracts when they want to do it, so while loyalty is always nice, it isn't usually shown in return.
 
What I do see issues with is bad mouthing Columbia after the move. As the OP said, it was Columbia products that made this possible for him. As Kidlost  said, you can easily promote your brand without putting down others. And it would be nothing to say that the reason he left was that while Columbia makes good products, he has always done well with Storm, felt it was an opportunity he couldn't pass up, and allows him to help represent the company that he ball driller and friend supports, etc.
 
 
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 09:43:40 AM »
Just my thoughts it's kind of an honor to be selected. There are a bunch of people that would love the chance to jump on board with a company. If a company took interest in me, I would have some loyalty, integrity, and kept my end of the deal. Never burn a bridge you may need to cross later.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 10:49:09 AM »
Quote from: Jorge300 on February 14, 2013, 09:03:50 AM
I see no issues with him jumping ship to Storm. The ball manufacturers are not very caring when it comes to dropping people from contracts when they want to do it, so while loyalty is always nice, it isn't usually shown in return.
 
What I do see issues with is bad mouthing Columbia after the move. As the OP said, it was Columbia products that made this possible for him. As Kidlost  said, you can easily promote your brand without putting down others. And it would be nothing to say that the reason he left was that while Columbia makes good products, he has always done well with Storm, felt it was an opportunity he couldn't pass up, and allows him to help represent the company that he ball driller and friend supports, etc.
 
 

But as a company, it is their right to do what they want.  Its their contract.  It could be a risk you take when signing on with any company.  It all depends on what clauses are in the contract in terms of early termination.  But when you sign any contract, you are saying that you are going to do your best to promote that product for the length of the contract.  Jumping ship just because is ridiculous.  But, like I said, it depends on the wording in the contract. 
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 11:13:21 AM »
TwoHand,
      You are correct, everything depends on the language of the contract.
 
But the individual also has the right to do what they want. If there is no penalty for or clause restricting it, then he has the right to terminate the contract as well. He chose that option and to sign the contract with Storm. While personally, if I were in his shoes, I probably would have turned down the contract or asked Storm if I could rewrite it to have it begin at the conclusion of my Columbia contract. But I don't see any issues with this person making that choice to make the move. The real issue is the bad-mouthing he has been doing since he left. That is unprofessional, and any ball company should not tolerate any of it's staff doing such a thing. Karma should bite this guy in the butt by having Storm srop him for his behavior.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM »
1st--Would NOT sign a contract to use equipment that I did not think would be first rate and give me the best chance to win.

2nd--If I already had a contract to use equipment that gives me the best chance to win, I would NOT bowl in a tournament that offered this as the top prize.

3rd--If I did bowl in a tournament for the money, and this was merely another "side" incentive, and I already had a contract, I would accept the money, but graciously turn down the contract.

4th--If I was Storm and found out that this person started to "badmouth" his former contract giver, I would IMMEDIATELY revoke any contactual agreements I had with this person.
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Re: If you had a staff contract what would you do? Scenario Question
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 03:12:26 PM »
The guy isn't bad mouthing any company.  You need to read the full store and the full story is on the PBA message boards.   Bob the Bowler who posted this has some kind of butt ache because he can't get a contract and feels slighted since his hard work does not pay off.   
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