Post by: On Fire on August 12, 2008, 09:35:44 AM
For me, it would be a Sure Fire.
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Post by: SVstar34 on August 12, 2008, 05:37:13 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 12, 2008, 05:47:24 PM
Yes it's pearl, and it works for me very well.
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Post by: Jay on August 12, 2008, 05:48:23 PM
Post by: bowlingnut07 on August 12, 2008, 05:48:33 PM
ball works on most all league conditions really well
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 12, 2008, 07:06:52 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on August 12, 2008, 07:20:03 PM
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Post by: charlest on August 12, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on August 12, 2008, 07:41:43 PM
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A benchmark ball is not the ball with which you start you're league. That does not make it a benchmark ball.
Point noted...
But I would think that while a benchmark ball may not have the optimum carry percentage or room for error on some of these wide open house shots I hear about, it'd still do a darn good job of knocking pins down.
I don't have an established benchmark ball at the moment since I'm a little out of touch with my assortment of equipment, but I like to bring a 2000 Abralon surfaced solid or particle pearl with me most nights unless I know the lanes are "dry"
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Post by: nerdytoes on August 12, 2008, 07:58:05 PM
Post by: NJStroker on August 12, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 12, 2008, 08:22:04 PM
If you throw a white dot as your benchmark, how can anyone say it's wrong?
What's up with all the elitist attitude around here? If someone says a ball is their benchmark, then it's their benchmark.
Like I said, I use my Black Widow to see how the lanes are playing, and go from there, but somehow I'm sure that is wrong.
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Post by: icewall on August 12, 2008, 08:38:21 PM
fits right in the middle of my arsenal.
Edited on 8/12/2008 8:42 PM
Post by: golfnutFL on August 12, 2008, 08:43:23 PM
The Solid LevRG wouldn't be a bad choice either
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Post by: charlest on August 12, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
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A benchmark ball is relative to the bowler and what he bowls on regularly for his THS.
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John,
But, no, and that is the point. It is not with respect to what he bowls on regularly. It is a ball that gives an arc-ing motion with a medium hook and a mediun backend on medium oil AND one that he/she knows well enough to use to read completely unknown lanes and their oil pattern.
That is the basic definition of a benchmark ball, as far as I have learned. It is NOT the ball that works best on your home lanes and its "wall of china".
All too often the ball many use on their THS is a skid/flip pearl. That ball cannot be used to get a read on unknown lanes on an unknown oil pattern.
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Post by: charlest on August 12, 2008, 09:03:42 PM
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If you throw a white dot as your benchmark, how can anyone say it's wrong?
What's up with all the elitist attitude around here? If someone says a ball is their benchmark, then it's their benchmark.
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It's not an elitist attitude. It's a basic bowling definition.
Being insulted by it is like being insulted by the sky being blue.
It's not good or bad it just is.
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 12, 2008, 09:06:21 PM
Post by: AdrianS on August 12, 2008, 09:10:20 PM
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Post by: 3835 on August 12, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
Honestly, any mild reactive with an Rg around 2.5 and diff around .04 and solid (no pearl) cover has been a terriffic THS ball. It gives you some length, doesn't jump right away when friction is creeping up from the burn, and is not a hockey stick type backend reaction, thus you have more control than the high diff stuff or the pearl/shiny stuff.
Such as:
Hammer Blade Reactive
AMF Nighthawk
AMF Villain
Brunswick Copperhead
Visionary Gladiator
Brunswick Wizard
Brunswick Nemesis
Storm Street Rod
Roto Grip Grand Illusion
Track Kinetic Energy
Make no mistake about it, the manufacturers know these numbers in general give great ball reaction
and the list surely goes on and on, those are just to name a few and all of them work great on a THS.
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Post by: bwproshop on August 12, 2008, 09:20:06 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 12, 2008, 09:35:15 PM
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It's not an elitist attitude. It's a basic bowling definition.
Being insulted by it is like being insulted by the sky being blue.
It's not good or bad it just is.
The hell is this blue sky you speak of??? I've never heard such filth!
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Post by: NOTHUMB on August 12, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
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Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on August 12, 2008, 11:03:53 PM
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Benchmark equals reasonably versatile---while giving you a good idea of whats going on with the pattern.
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This is the best definition of a benchmark ball on this thread so far.. Mine was my Absolute Inferno @ 1000 with somewhat of a control drilling. I really wish I still had that ball!
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Post by: drillbit on August 12, 2008, 11:08:36 PM
drillbit
Post by: charlest on August 12, 2008, 11:39:08 PM
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True, Jeff, but he asked for league and for a majority of people, it would be something that they normally bowl on. And for a lot of bowlers I know, there isn't much variance on their THS throughout the year. I think a benchmark ball for a THS is an oxymoron, because the THS more than often makes every ball look the same.
I did say for tournaments it would be something completely different and that is where you would need a arsenal piece that you describe.
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Understood.
Still, several people have mentioned a skid/flip pearl as a benchmark and that is not appropriate for a benchmark. The Ogre Pearl and possibly the Twisted Fury (if drilled properly) fit the definition well.
I'm in a Summer league that varies so wildly from week to week, I really should have brought a benchmark mild solid to start every week off.
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 12, 2008, 11:43:44 PM
Oh and that reminds me, I just bought an Ogre Pearl off of someone here. I hope I like it.
Edited on 8/12/2008 11:44 PM
Post by: BXTECH on August 12, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on August 12, 2008, 11:49:22 PM
Well, not on my PBAX league this summer. Between trying out my new Visionary equipment, and knowing that I won't bother the last 3 weeks on Shark, it's had some time to rest up for fall leagues!
Big Willy Style
PS...it's a Particle Pearl that isn't too aggressive off the break, but isn't just an ark motion either...more of a strong arc I suppose?!?
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Post by: stormed1 on August 13, 2008, 12:27:02 AM
Post by: BowlingWolf on August 13, 2008, 12:40:20 AM
With this ball I can gauge what the lanes are doing pretty well if it's not turning the corner (which is rare) even after making hand/foot/mark adjustments, then I know I need something stronger, like perhaps my good old dependable Roto Grip Odyssey, and if it's burning up too soon, then it's time to go to something a little tamer (or something with more length), like either an Up-Rising (length/backend), or a Hornet (length/tame).
Edited on 8/13/2008 0:41 AM
Post by: iamone78 on August 13, 2008, 02:46:48 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on August 13, 2008, 03:14:17 AM
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Post by: Spike2112 on August 13, 2008, 05:15:48 AM
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Post by: Jock on August 13, 2008, 06:59:48 AM
I'm lucky. In my home bowling alley (I hate caling them "centers") the condition is relatively stable. I know which ball is first out of the bag for the normal condition and I can see by its reaction the subtle difference in the lane condition but it's certainly not my benchmark ball.
If I went to a "foreign" bowling alley for a tourney I would use my red zone as benchmark, but, as I said before, I don't need to do that for leagues at home.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 13, 2008, 07:18:38 AM
Post by: 1MechEng on August 13, 2008, 08:07:12 AM
Solid sanded surface. Good, but not overly powerful, coverstock on it that shows the flare rings well. Nice medium length control drilling. OOB surface condition (but just ever so slightly shined due to the amount of use). Easy to roll it and see how a pattern is playing.
Plus, as a slightly older piece of equipment, I have enough games on it to be able to easily recognize the reactions I am getting from it.
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Edited on 8/13/2008 8:08 AM
Post by: Lefty_bowler on August 13, 2008, 08:18:32 AM
Post by: Danes07 on August 13, 2008, 08:22:05 AM
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Post by: rackattack on August 13, 2008, 08:52:58 AM
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