Author Topic: Intentional Fouls (Read 6122 times)

Baboon · « **on:** February 16, 2009, 05:29:28 AM »

I assume there's a rule about this, but:

Is it illegal to intentionally foul after leaving a big split, allowing yourself to shoot at a full rack for your spare?

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redjay · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:33:30 PM »

According to USBC rule intentional foul will result in a zero for the frame.

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:41:51 PM »

I believe the wording is such that if you intentionally foul with the goal to shoot at an easier spare (a full rack is easier to make than the big four or a 4-6, 7-10, 4/7/10, etc), then you get zero for the frame.

Of course then the discussion follows as to whether the bowler INTENTIONALLY fouled or not.

Many people intentionally foul after missing an easy spare. There is nothing to gain by that. I do not believe the intention of this rule covers that instance.
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mumzie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2009, 04:19:48 PM »

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When a player deliberately fouls to benefit by the calling of a foul, the player shall be credited with zero pinfall for that delivery and not allowed further deliveries in that frame. If questions arise, Rule 10, Provisional Ball, should be followed.

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cheech · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2009, 05:16:08 PM »

i think i will respectfully disagree with this rule, not the people stating it. i think if you intentionally foul you should get zero for the shot and get a full rack just like any other frame. it should be able to be apart of your strategy to win a tournament or game or whatever
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rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2009, 05:21:14 PM »

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i think i will respectfully disagree with this rule, not the people stating it. i think if you intentionally foul you should get zero for the shot and get a full rack just like any other frame. it should be able to be apart of your strategy to win a tournament or game or whatever
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Wow...no.

If you get rid of this rule, you make the big 4, pocket 7-10s, 8-10s, etc, obsolete. Anyone who leaves a big four standing just fouls and goes -/ instead of 62.

This rule is totally necessary.
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rvmark · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2009, 05:25:24 PM »

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i think i will respectfully disagree with this rule, not the people stating it. i think if you intentionally foul you should get zero for the shot and get a full rack just like any other frame. it should be able to be apart of your strategy to win a tournament or game or whatever
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Sorry Cheech I agree with the others the rule is correct, you should not be able to intentionally foul just to get rid of a split or washout leave. When you foul intentionally you should be penalized.

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Debina · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2009, 05:33:58 PM »

5b. Deliberate

When a player deliberately fouls to benefit by the calling of a foul, the player shall be credited with zero pinfall for that delivery and not allowed further deliveries in that frame. If questions arise, Rule 10, Provisional Ball, should be followed.

That means that if you foul on the first ball on purpose, your frame is over.

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tenpin477 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:30:13 PM »

only if it really benefits you.

I think we can all agree intentionally fouling after taking the 10 pin off a full rack does not give any one an advantage lol.

rvmark · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:38:27 AM »

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only if it really benefits you.

I think we can all agree intentionally fouling after taking the 10 pin off a full rack does not give any one an advantage lol.

Why would you deliberately foul after taking a ten pin out of the rack?

mainzer · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:59:55 AM »

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i think i will respectfully disagree with this rule, not the people stating it. i think if you intentionally foul you should get zero for the shot and get a full rack just like any other frame. it should be able to be apart of your strategy to win a tournament or game or whatever
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while were making the sport even easier, why not make it legal to press the RESET button to shot spares?

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Pinbuster · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:03:17 AM »

If we were to change the rule I would want to say any intentional foul gets zero for the whole frame. But I can leave it as it is, it works.

Bowlers who foul intentionally after missing a spare are being immature, trying to draw attention to themselves, and bothering other bowlers with the buzzing and lights. It serves no useful purpose.

Edited on 2/17/2009 8:14 AM

DRAFTIN300 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:42:25 AM »

I rightfully agree with the above post

Danes07 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:51:40 PM »

We've got a couple guys in my league that intentionally foul quite a bit. They don't do it on their first shot, but if they say, chop an easy spare of flag a 10 pin, they'll step on the foul line, so they can say, "I didn't miss, I fouled".

We also have a few guys that upon leaving a split or a 10 will just walk up to the foul line and toss their ball into their gutter. Their explanation is usually along the lines of "I'm gonna miss it anyways, why even bother putting effort into the shot".

They are immature, stupid and a real pain in the azz to bowl near.
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BrunsMike · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:19:59 PM »

LOL If that rule were to be changed then all that would need to be done is the house turning off the foul lights so then you have no choise but to shoot at the split. Most houses by me will give you a zero if you try to reset the rack on a 2nd ball because of the program that is being used.
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