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michelle

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house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« on: May 19, 2007, 04:30:21 AM »
In going through materials related to a client, a claim was made that a victim never used their right hand.  Video was shown of the victim bowling with a house ball using their right hand.  The "smoking gun" given by the prosecution to refute that and claim it as an isolated occurrence was that "house balls are only drilled to fit the right hand."  

I'm sure there is something I could find by spending more time on the web looking for the answer, but I have some qualms with the claim advanced by the prosecution.  Simply put, my recollection of most generic house balls (not including ones donated or abandoned by bowlers) is that they have spans and pitches that were very average and not geared to one hand or the other.  Hence, you could grab a house ball of the appropriate weight and throw with either hand (depending on whether said bowler was right handed or left handed).

Can any proprietors, ball reps or drillers offer some insight?  I know it is the weekend, but I really sort of need an answer by Monday AM.  There are other issues present in the case that have far greater significance than this question, but reading it in the record just made me want to call BS.

 

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 12:57:48 PM »
Michelle,
If you have access to BJ's Bowling Ctr. Management, I'm sure you can find some ads there that will have house ball suppliers listed.
Maybe even the BJ website.
I'd look for you, but I'm a little short on time now.
But when you order house balls, I know you order XS, S, M, L, XL sized grips/spans. I've never seen an order for left/vs right. And rental shoes aren't "handed" - I doubt house balls would be either.

Also - how do they KNOW it was a house ball? If it was plastic and looked like one, how could anyone tell?
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 12:58:55 PM »
I just did a Yahoo search for 'bowling house balls', and came up with 3 different sites that say that most house balls have a generic drill intended for use by both right and left handers.  Also found a few places that sell house balls.
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 01:49:21 PM »
That's why centers do not want preowned balls left on the racks.Those are drilled hand specific and not labeled house balls.All 'house' balls should be nuetral drill and clearly labeled as house balls.Any ball not defined as house would fall under personal and at users risk.
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 02:17:35 PM »
As a bowling center employee I can confirm that either lefties or righties can use a house ball. We have a 72 lane center with many balls and I can throw any ball I can fit into with either hand no matter if it was a donated ball for someone right or left handed. Also, if you look at most open bowlers they throw straight, so all that matters is the ball fits on the hand you plan on using. Quite possibly this guy is not cordinated to use his opposite hand and didn't think he would be caught.
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2007, 02:19:18 PM »
The claim was that the victim "never" used their right hand.

If the video showed them using their right hand, then the point
is moot. It wouldn't matter how the ball was drilled left or right
handed. They used their right hand.

The thing would be to prove or disprove, if it was a
"isolated occurrence" of them using their right hand.

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 02:28:21 PM »
I understand the question related to left/right handed house balls .. responses are quite strong that house balls ARE NOT designed for a specific hand! I tend to agree with that but offer no sound proof!

What I don't understand is the court case! If the person claims to have never used his RIGHT hand but there is a video showing he has .. what difference how bowling balls are available? If he claims never to use his right hand and he was video taped using that hand .. he's a liar! What am I missing?

SORRY ALOAR .. we over-lapped!

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2007, 02:51:12 PM »
OK so far we all agree and have expressed opinions in full and and mostly correctly spelled sentences.
Is this BallReviews or am I in opposite world?
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2007, 03:22:18 PM »
quote:
OK so far we all agree and have expressed opinions in full and and mostly correctly spelled sentences.
Is this BallReviews or am I in opposite world?
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It was a bowling related question "and and mostly" in correct grammar also.

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michelle

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2007, 03:37:28 PM »
I appreciate the array of responses.  

As I indicated, it was a minor point relative to other significant issues in the case, and but for the fact that I bowl, I don't know that anyone else would have had their BS meter going off.  

In a nutshell, prosecution claims vic was LH and the only reason that a video could exist of vic using RH to bowl was that houseballs are "only drilled for the right hand."  I came across this claim while reviewing materials from the first and second trials of the case...claim was advanced in the second trial (retrial after first verdict set aside).

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2007, 04:14:45 PM »
So vic is LH, but bowled RH? However, says he never uses his right hand for anything. If the glove fits then he must aqquit! LOL If the case is to prove he uses his right hand and video shows he used it case closed!
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michelle

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2007, 05:09:33 PM »
quote:
So vic is LH, but bowled RH? However, says he never uses his right hand for anything. If the glove fits then he must aqquit! LOL If the case is to prove he uses his right hand and video shows he used it case closed!



vic is deceased...issue of hand did not come up until the retrial.  Beyond that, I am reluctant to discuss the particulars of the case.

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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2007, 07:19:58 PM »
Small hijack.
 
quote:
It was a bowling related question "and and mostly" in correct grammar also.


That little smiley face was to signal that statement as a joke.
Thanks for the response.I know I'm back in the real BallReviws now.
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2007, 11:26:40 PM »
michelle,

I have drilled several balls for the center I run. They are drilled generally with identical spans finger to finger and roughly the same size, so they are not geared towards one or other.
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Re: house ball question- related to a prosecution claim
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2007, 11:30:06 AM »
Thans again to all who answered...as I now have confirmation of what I suspected/believed, I am going to lock the thread.