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Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« on: September 06, 2013, 09:08:25 AM »
I found this article pretty interesting about Glenn Allison's 900 series - When was the first 900 series bowled ?
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 04:45:37 PM »
What about the other 900's shot before Allison's?

Should they be approved as well?

Don't get me wrong, I believe they should have approved his score at the time. But when you go back revising history where do you stop?

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2013, 05:14:54 PM »
Not aware of any 900's thrown in sanctioned competition prior to Allisons.  Ray Orf threw an 890 that was disallowed in the 60's.  I think there were several 900's thrown on shellac in the 30's.  Not sure any were in sanctioned competition, as many leagues and matches were not sanctioned in those days.  The fact is that most of the records set in the 30's probably would not have passed on the most lenient of lane standards.  Shellac was generally not oiled, but the way it was applied and the way it wore down created a measurable physical groove to the pocket. 

Even into the 60's the ABC really didn't care about using oil to create a wall, because most lane blocking was done by creating physical depressions in the surface for a track.  The first rule concerning oil patterns was not introduced until 1975.  Lane blocking with oil had been around since the introduction of lacquer in the late 40's, but the soft polyester balls that carried so much better than hard rubber boosted scoring dramatically in the 70's, and prompted the ABC to adapt an even oil rule, that was in effect when Allison shot his 900.  Therefore not only would his 900 have passed under current rules, but it would have passed under any rules except those in place between 1975 and 1988.   
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2013, 05:59:29 AM »
People these days talk on how it would be crazy to bowl a 300 with a plastic ball, but throwing 36 strikes in a row with a yellow dot people would think you are out of your mind.
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 10:53:15 AM »
The fact that it was only done once is testimony to its difficulty.  People should remember however, that at that time the yellow dot was a pretty high tech soft shell polyester ball, and we were bowling on less than half the volume of oil that is used today, with much lower viscosity to boot.  I had my career high series of 793 with a yellow dot ( same series as Allison used ), playing inside 4th arrow.  Even the urethane balls of the 80's were not that much better than yellow dots.  It was the short patterns that allowed guys to hook them so much.  Resin balls, were another matter.  The carry was just so phenomenal with them that award scores had to go through the roof.     

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 03:30:48 PM »
wow didnt know that much about the yellow dot at that time period. Pretty interesting and people complain about equipment and lane conditions now lol .
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2013, 02:10:33 AM »
Not all yellow dots were created equal.
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 03:55:07 AM »
The Yellowdot was a crusher on the lanes of the time.  Very even easy to find the pocket all the way through the 80s and 90s for me in just casual appearances at the bowling alley.

But really carried in the late 70s for me, AND easier to find the pocket on that short oil!

A great accomplishment should be recognized.  Opened up the mind that it could be done.  I believe some of our two handers today will have multiple ones in their careers, realize they get many strikes off imperfect hits due to mucho messengers.

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 10:44:38 AM »
A big and often overlooked advantage of resin is that with so much friction off the dry it is possible, even necessary, to throw a lot more ball speed.  In the polyester era friction was at a premium and too much speed meant poor carry.  You just couldn't get the ball to get into a roll until the oil got shorter if you had speed.  Those messengers today come from a combination of speed and revs.  Much more of a finesse game with yellow dots to maximize carry. 

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 12:54:15 PM »
As a non lefty it was so easy to throw at my slow but natural 12 to 13 mph then at my current good days 15 to 16 mph. 

I loved those lane conditions and my Yellow dot in the late 70s!  It bowled nicely as a non league bowler for about 20 years after that then one day it didn't carry.  Around 1998.  Gone and dumped in the dumpster, I missed the grip also!  Never did know what it was!

Let's go back to those easy days of finding the pocket up the 9 board at 12 mph. 

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2013, 01:50:22 AM »
yellow dot!  loved that ball.  Shot a high 279 on wood playing the twig.


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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2013, 01:26:56 PM »
Somebody needs to get a Glenn Allison 900 Facebook page started.  Maybe if enough people like it and comment on it, USBC will change their minds.  Maybe............

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2013, 05:13:07 PM »
Never!  Won't happen.

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2013, 07:02:44 PM »
yeah, usbc isnt going to do anything, If they did then everyone else might come out of the wood work and say they had achievements and want them also
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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2013, 11:21:29 AM »
Not sure who could come out of the woodwork

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Re: Interesting Article about First 900 series bowled
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2013, 05:47:46 PM »
Not sure who could come out of the woodwork

Maybe the guy that also had a 900 turned down but later bowled two more?
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