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Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« on: May 10, 2013, 02:44:04 PM »
can play SO differently every time you see them.

Our team started our PBA league last night on Cheetah and it played WAAAAAAY tighter than I've ever seen it.  I must say, I had a good look.  Playing about 9 at the arrows to about 5 at the breakpoint but I had to be really careful with the speed as it was easy to blow it right thru the spot.  Lots of free push on good shots....

I've probably been on Cheetah upwards of 10-12 times and, for some reason, it played like Viper.  I have noticed over all of these sets that there is "bump outside Cheetah" and "out of bounds Cheetah", last night definitley had an out of bounds at the 4 board but REALLY heavy up front, as is customary on this condition but I've never seen it like that. 

Staying open minded was key but I just found it of particular intrigue how this specific shot played on this specific night.  Plenty of good bowlers in the league noted how it was tighter than they'd ever seen it.

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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 04:25:55 PM »
yeah, i bowled last summer pba experience league and it was interesting. People had no idea what to expect coming from the THS to pba league. The oil on some nights was extremely heavy and people would miss single pin spares all night. It took time to slow down and play the shot needed rather then the shot you want to play. One night on shark pattern i shot 684, the closest to me was a 520 because no one wanted to play a line they were not comfortable with so it was easy to win matches. Once you finish bowling pba leagues and go back to the THS leagues it improve your game on it drastically.
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 05:54:17 PM »
Too many variables to compare...and one of the biggest factors is how much residual conditioner is left on the lane and what the THS is...
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 02:59:36 PM »
Ric hit the nail on the head. In bowling regionals in the past, I tended to see the same scenario every time: On the Friday night practice session, the lanes always seemed to hook more then I would expect for the pattern. It usually played easier then I was expecting too. On Saturday, the pattern seemed heavier with less hook, and it was a little tougher then the night before. If you make it to Sunday, the pattern plays exactly like I would expect it to at that point. It hooks less then previous days and plays as tough as I would expect a PBA pattern to play. The reason for this scenario is the underlying house pattern memory fades with time as the lanes are stripped and the PBA pattern is put out more and more.
 
The other factor is the topography of the lanes themselves. In our center we have relatively new synthetic lanes. One pair in particular was not put in correctly. The outside boards on the right are sloped to the right slightly. That makes it rather difficult to play Cheetah on this pair as you are fighting gravity to go "uphill" from the outside line. We also see the first phenomenon as well, as this house usually places a lot of oil outside five on their house shot, so when we play Cheetah, the tapes look correct, but we do not have the dry bump on the last few boards as the memory of the house shot is there.
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 01:51:00 AM »
Typically it will be operator error/money saving efforts.

 Typically when you change oil patterns on the machine you have to run it across several pairs of lanes before it starts to properly lay out the correct pattern. Most centers are not going to do this.

Instead they are going to change to what ever condition it is suppose to be then start at one end and go. Either for the full house or for however many lanes they plan on oiling. That means there is a good chance depending on how many lanes are oiled and where your starting pair is as to if you will get the correct pattern or something in between.

See this often with centers when they put out shots for nationals on only one pair of lanes. They enter it in the machine, run it across a pair of lanes once or twice and then say they are done.
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 05:26:35 AM »
Too many variables to compare...and one of the biggest factors is how much residual conditioner is left on the lane and what the THS is...

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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 01:14:05 PM »
Most of the Cheetah pattern's I played well on, I was usually playing inside of 5 (mostly 2 or 3 board). Had a little more room for error when I kept the ball in that area. Just thought I share some info. I understand not all lanes are the same and not all patterns are the same.

 
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 03:10:48 PM »
If you don't double strip there is significant residual left from a house shot.  On old surfaces I always found that the Cheetah and Viper played similar with more hook from the cheetah.  The other 3 patterns also played similar from inside.  However the Shark pattern was tweeked quite a bit last year, and it can play down right nasty compared to the older version

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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 06:28:25 PM »
I bowled a PBA regional on Cheetah that was played on an older wood surface and we were wheeling it from 4th arrow very early on.   You could fudge the outside or wheel the lane.

There are many different versions of the PBA patterns its no longer that easy to give you an idea on how to play them, plus topography is impossible to factor in if people who give you the advice don't bowl at your center.


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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 10:43:35 AM »
Like someone else said, laying a PBA pattern over a house pattern is going to provide spotty conditions.  If you attend regional tournaments, see how tight the lanes get on Sunday after the PBA pattern has been put down and stripped multiple times on the lanes.  Each episode of stripping removes more and more of the residual house shot until the Sunday match-play pattern becomes a fairly pure PBA pattern.
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 10:38:06 PM »
Like someone else said, laying a PBA pattern over a house pattern is going to provide spotty conditions.  If you attend regional tournaments, see how tight the lanes get on Sunday after the PBA pattern has been put down and stripped multiple times on the lanes.  Each episode of stripping removes more and more of the residual house shot until the Sunday match-play pattern becomes a fairly pure PBA pattern.

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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2013, 03:47:19 PM »
What's even more amusing is watching the house hacks come back to bowl on Monday night after the house has hosted a regional.  Their 233 average takes a hit because, with the PBA shot affecting league conditions, their 10-board bumper bowling house shot is suddenly a helluva lot tighter than usual.
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2013, 03:59:50 PM »
Was 25 clean last night until the 6th frame of the last game.  Massive transition!  I was able to stay on top of it for the most part but definitley used my "grind" gear last night. 

Also, my OP was not a complaint in the slightest, just a simple observation.  I would much prefer to earn a 600 set rather than the typical "carryfest" that league (in that house) issues.  Big +1 to the sentiments about laying down a "PBA pattern" over a lane that has memory of the house shot. 
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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2013, 04:04:34 PM »
I got to bowl on the out of bounds Cheetah last night in our first week of our summer sport league. It's been a long time since i bowled on this pattern. I only got to bowl on the original cheetah that played way out. I was up and down. It made it look like this play like a reverse. What do you guys normally use on the OB Cheetah? I was trying to throw it straight and flat around 11 to 8 with a smooth surface IQ Tour Solid. I should of tried going  deeper but never did. I didn't fair well at all but i can't wait to get back on it and try it again. No matter if i bowl good or bad, it's the learning experience i look forward to and another way to tweak my game to be more versatile.

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Re: Interesting how PBA patterns.......
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2013, 04:38:03 PM »
Unless they made drastic changes to Cheetah, the shot is stil outside. Even on our lanes where the memory makes the outsides play much wetter then Cheetah, the shot is still outside. You just have to go straighter, and use stronger equipment then you would on the regular Cheetah. You just don't have the luxury of the "bumper" out there on the 1-2 board that you normally have with Cheetah. But at 35 feet, you want to be outside, even without the dry boards to help.
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