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FBM357

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tricky question ....
« on: February 16, 2005, 05:35:00 AM »
Who, in your opinion, has the greater use of leverage?  Someone 6'+? or 6'-?  Long arms beneficial?  How about an ideal span (if there is such)?

I know it's rather vague as there's almost infinite variables, but there has to be some common ground associating physical attributes with optimum execution.  Do you not agree?
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2005, 02:25:42 PM »
Another thing to think about: If the people have 'completely' free armswings. If they both have muscled swings, the bigger guy will have more power in my opinion.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2005, 02:25:45 PM »
So, if shorter swings have better leverage and technique, how come all crankers, masters of speed/revs, try to get the highest, biggest swing possible?
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2005, 02:29:15 PM »
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So, if shorter swings have better leverage and technique, how come all crankers, masters of speed/revs, try to get the highest, biggest swing possible?
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a_ak57, I would believe with a relaxed armswing from a greater distance adding gravitational pull would result in greater acceleration (effortless) upon release.  i.e. greater distance = unforced acceleration
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2005, 02:29:32 PM »
Because they are stupid like me. They think faster swings creates more revs, then they end up just staying with the style they learned. Look at me, I mean come on!
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2005, 02:32:36 PM »
Andy, I think the crankers with big swings are trying to match speed with revs.  The swing gets speed, not revs.  Low speed + High revs = a bad idea.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2005, 02:34:38 PM »
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Andy, I think the crankers with big swings are trying to match speed with revs.  The swing gets speed, not revs.  Low speed + High revs = a bad idea.
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Well i suppose taht makes sense but.....I know for a fact, i'd have a damn hard time trying to rip the cover off the ball with a waist high backswing rather than shoulder high, since i wouldn't have any momentum besides what  i force with my hand....

As for the last part, i think bob7 is hiding sheepishly in the corner.  I remember, that he said he has like 420rpm, and he told me his MAX speed is 14 at the deck.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2005, 03:14:19 PM »
In theory, a gorilla is the perfect bowler.
Long arms, short legs. Knee bend doesn't matter.
Of course, forward bend from the waist is increased, in the gorilla's case.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2005, 03:17:49 PM »
also, Bill Taylor has a theory about arm length, relative to torso and leg length.
Can't remember the specifics, but I think he said Dick Weber, shouldn't have been a bowler, due to his arm to torso ratio. Of course, Bill taylor has a theory on everything. I think he was wrong about Dick Weber.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2005, 03:26:14 PM »
The Longer the better!! Oh wait that what she said
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2005, 04:08:31 PM »
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Duke, I was going to mention Bill Taylor(of which I am no fan). He stated that the perfect arm length is 281/2 inches and contrary to what you said, claimed that Dick Weber was such a great bowler because that was his arm length.
    What a bunch of baloney.  Just look at the top pros and see how much their arm length varies.
     As for speed and revs, its all about technique and not about body size.
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When I was typing that . . . I wasn't quite sure. You are right, that's was his theory. I don't believe anything is set in stone, when it comes to bowling.
I bowl with a guy who read in a bowling book, that your first step should never be longer, or shorter than 12 inches. He absolutely believes it, because it was in print, and written by a pro.
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Re: tricky question ....
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2005, 09:02:09 PM »
In a perfect world I believe the following:

Leverage is created by body position and no body has an advantage to create it. No additional leverage is created by a taller bowler. The same amount of leverage can be created by all size bodies (height) providing the same body position.

A longer span would indeed be able to rotate (rev) the ball more than a shorter span because of the time diffence between the thumb and finger release. The wider the span, the longer the time delay between the thumb exit and the finger exit. This additional time could indeed be used to create additional rev rate and the ability to utilize differing releases easier.

A longer length arm would indeed be able to create more momentum and power in the down swing thereby allowing more torque to be applied to the ball. In addition, the added length of the swing associated with a longer arm could build additional speed.

In a practicle world however not everything is ideal.

With reference to BT, his bowling science is exceptional. He understands the nuances and has defined the timing required for body types. This principal seems foreign to many people. While I understand them in theroy they leave no room for talent and in MHO this is why his theories are subjective. For example, I am 5 11 and weight 240. I have short arms and longer than normal legs. He might say I should use a 3 1/2 step approach to be able to have perfect natural timing. While another bowler being 6 6" would have longer legs and longer arms then me.. he might suggest a 4 step approach to have natural timing. In science and body modeling this works out ... but in practical application, I might be able to be more consistant using a 5 step approach. Bill seems to have issues understanding this.




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