i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

What has either ball truly shown us we haven't seen before and is changing bowling? Creative marketing now considered innovation?

If there was any real money to be made making bowling balls you would see some true innovation instead of picking colors and names for existing cores and covers.

What incentive do manufacturers have in making a more durable product if warranty claims are within their accepted range?  Consumers aren't going to pay more because they won't actually believe the product is more durable, and less product will be sold. A ball isn't like a bag or a shoe where you can see any improvement in the product. 

Quote from: michael.willis9 on May 13, 2019, 02:18:47 PM

i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

What has either ball truly shown us we haven't seen before and is changing bowling? Creative marketing now considered innovation?

maybe I'm naive but have we really seen this "low oil absorption" before?

I'd hope some innovation effort would be allocated to durability - but this would be easy when the covers would be 1" thick again.

Well, we are seeing this now with Brunswick. The Quantum Bias is thick shell with no filler and also asymmetric. Also, DynamiCore technology is a game changer, as we have only seen (1) ball come back cracked in our shop the last two + years, which is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than everyone else. Add that to the increase in hitting power and it's a win / win. The DOT technology that Brunswick has out also massively reduces risk of cracking because the locator pin is a non factor with those balls. So no, innovation is not dead at all, just evolving like the sport itself.

No filler balls are cheaper to produce.  The cost of material is less than the labor for the added step in the process.  Some won't believe that, but it is true.

Don't mistake improvements in the manufacturing process as ball "innovation".  DOT is strictly to reduce warranty claims.  Somebody just finally figured out it's just as easy to glue the riser pin on the bottom of the core as the top.

And DynamiCore is marketing jargon.  COR is maxed out easily.  I had Chinese balls that tested at the max and those balls hit like dog shit.

Filler allowed manufacturers to use one core across several ball weights. Im guessing to save cost vs a different core in each weight.

There is still more labor into a ball with filler.  It adds a step to the manufacturing process.  As I said, some won't believe it.  Less touches equals less cost.